Standard of Public Schools

[Incubus1980]

well this is one thing which came up while i replied to another post on the forum and i think it has a potential to be a different topic all by itself. well for those who have studied in public school or know ppl who have studied from there. Do you really think they are getting the right educational level.

Because from what i have personally seen is that the kids who get scholorships from the govt. are not very bright kids. Well they have done good in school but when they came to my college 99 percent of them ended up in ESL 2 or even 1. but at the same time these kids had like 100 percent marks in english in their school.

so i wanted to know is it fair for these kids....why are they not being taught well in the public schools?

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All I can say is that they have alot to memorise than learning the really fact and understand it.

On English language part I think it need some improvement, the syllabus is not very strong for someone to go to Uni without needing additional language course.

[Incubus1980]

yea i totally agree with you on that....i have seen the english exam papers of the publich schools....and for real i don't even have to go to school to ace those exams...and i am not saying that because i am studying here in u.s and that my english has improved alot....this was like couple of years ago. and i was totally shocked to see that.

and later my dean of the college told me that these new kids have like more than 90% grade in english and they can't even say ."I am fine" properly...or respond to "what is your name?"
and he just didn't do that in person with me...he said that infront of those ppl and he even showed me by asking one of the guys his name....and he couldn't answer, not because he failed English but because the standard of english language is very low.

[Hey_U]

90's% while at home, having nothing else to do apart of studying is sensible.40's% while being away , having all the reasons not to study (Salary,Clubs, bars, or any other sorts of entertainment) is sensible as well.That might be right for the cases you've seen.



The cases I've seen : A bunch of public students in the UK, Marks = Excellent. Few got PHD offers from Rolls Royce and similar companies.Almost All got offers for Masters through their own sponsers.Many of them have had the best marks in their colleges.



Quite different?



But I've seen some students who failed.



Conclusion? Those who got well and did well at schools and at uni's exploited their abilities in the best ways.Those who did well at public schools and failed at uni's didn't only fail at studies but failed to make good use of their abilities in the first place.



So is it a good cretiria to judge public school by how much the student would get at their uni levels?



Maybe, but a quite weak cretiria.





So we could talk about how good public schools are, but we should dismiss their graduates achievements to some extents.





Regarding english language : English is not their first language, and this should be taken into account when they make some very silly mistakes.I also agree that English syllabus at public schools aren't sufficient.However, you don't have to be with an english near to a native's english to do well at uni.



regards

[Incubus1980]

well you are quiet right abt the abilities of these students...well i brought that up not because i observed those kids for long time and came to conclusion that they weren' taught good in school....but after the first day when i was their guide for their orientation at MCBS. and it was really hard for me to communicate with 'em because they didn't understand a single word of what i was saying.
anyhow....my point was the govt. has to improve the educational standards in Public Schools...if they want a better future for the country.

[Hey_U]

<i>but after the first day when i was their guide for their orientation at MCBS.</i>

This is totally different.You were talking about students who could achieve almost a 100% at public schools in your first post.In your last post, you're talking about students who achieved low marks (otherwise why would they pay money for studies if they could had got it for free with high marks?), so these students didn't even get good marks at public schools, I wouldn't expect them to do well at uni's.


If you're talking about English at public schools, then that's a totally different issue.I am talking about studies in general.


My conclusion is :Public schools need a total appraisal,but we shouldn't only take English as a cretiria to judge public school's all modules and syllabus.We should have a comprehensive look at the issue.

regards

[Invincible]

There is a gap between Private and Public schools that needs to be closed. I believe the syllabus is pretty much the same, except that English is of a higher standard at private schools. Isnt that the only difference?

[Neo]

Kids in Public school are not bright!!!. Now that is the most pathetic statement I heard in my life. Having a week syllbus doesnt mean the kid is not bright.

You bring those Private school kids and let them do an exam in Arabic Language and lets see who doest best?. Get my point.

The english is weak in the government school, but that doesnt make them not so bright. It all depends from individual.

[Jinan]

Infact... Public school kids are brighter than private school kids... I studied in both the schools... the only problem with public schools is the standard of the english language... the teachers in public school are way better then the ones in private schools. One thing the govt shud do is to change the standard of english and give it more importance... they just ignore the language... I see these kids from public school suffer when they get admitted in the university... they have a problem with basic english to the extent they dont know wht departure or candidate means!!!! Its sad but thats a fact.

[Incubus1980]

yeah whatever Jinan said is right and i didn't doubt the intelligence of those kids because i never said they were stupid or dumb. if you read my post clearly i said those kids had like above 90% or even 100% in their school in all the subjects but they fail to pull off the same results in the universities. Reason is that the syallabus they have in schools is not of a good standard because i have personally seen the papers. I studied from PSM, and i believe PSM is like as bad as the public schools in Oman. But our syllabus is so hard compared to anyone of the other schools that it overwhelms the students and thats the reason most of the students do bad in my school.

and yeah once again to clear the doubt i didn't say those kids were stupid or dumb they just didn't know how to speak english even after gettin more than 90% in English in their school.

[Hey_U]

I think your topic should be "Standard of English at public schools" because that's what you're talking about in your posts, Incubus.

regards

[Incubus1980]

well since "English" is the international Language and wallah you can't study any other subject (not languages) without knowing good english. So if you want to excel in other subjects well you better be good in English. And that would only happen if you are taught good english while in school.

[Invincible]

Incubus,



You cant study any other subject without knowing good English? you're kidding! There are lots of successful business people, scientists, doctors who cant speak a word of ENGLISH. Speaking English isnt a measure of success brother. I've met a lot of Omanis who cant speak a word of English, but I wouldnt dare challenge them in the business discussions I was engaged in with them.



I worked with an Omani guy who graduated from a public school in the interior, he did well, and was granted a scholarship to America. He couldnt speak English at all except for knowing the word 'No'. He took intensive english courses in college, and graduated with a GPA over 3.5. He now speaks better English than I do.



So many Europeans, Asians etc cant speak a word of English, and I dont see the level of their success being significantly affected by their poor English. In fact, some of them are very successful. Yes, English is a universal language, and the easiest way to communicate on an International level but dont discredit people's abilities to succeed.

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Agree with Invici on this, Language can't measure Intelligence.

[Hey_U]

Well said Invincible.