In the making of a Greater Israel…

[Shinyanga]

<font color="blue">Will George Bush’s war on Iraq followed by removal of others so called regimes supporting terrorism in the Middle East eventually help pave the way to realize the dream of a Greater Israel?...<!--color-->[/color]



<font color="green"><b>Israel's Grand Design: Leaders Crave Area from Egypt to Iraq</b><!--color-->[/color]



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<b>by John Mitchell Henshaw</b>



The metamorphosis of tiny Israel from a midget to a giant is in the making. The grand design of Judaic-Zionist expansionist doctrine is to seize all the oil-rich lands from the shores of the Euphrates to the banks of the Nile.



In defining the aims of Zionism, Hebrew scholar Levnoch Osman recently said: "In our eternal Book of Books (the Torah), the lofty ethical teachings of which are cherished by all mankind, the land of Israel is described not as a long, narrow strip of land with wavy, crooked borders, but as a state with broad natural borders. God has promised to Patriarch Abraham the following:



<i>"I give unto them the land where they have sown their seed, from the river of Egypt unto the great river of Euphrates’ (Genesis 15:18). And so, in order to realize the words of this prophecy, the Israeli state had to continue, not in the borders it has today but within its broad historical boundaries."</i>



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[hfsc_peace]

How large an army would it take to garrison:
Damascus
Baghdad
Kirkuk
Mosul
Amman
and every small village and town?

Roads?

AS far as I can tell, but for this article, reproduced on only arab and white supremacist sites, Henshaw is a cipher

Here is a link to a national review article which mentions him:
<a href="http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Rhodes/5338/psa/full/Simonds2.html" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Rhodes/5338/psa/full/Simonds2.html</a>

This is an absurd idea, for which Israel does not posses NEARLY a large enough army, in an article written by a crackpot.

Check the link yourself, but for goodness sake, DO RESEARCH 1ST, BEFORE YOU POST.

Actually, this idea has been around for ages. It is said to be another Zionist goal. Didnt the Zionists take more than they were given by the UN? What makes you think they dont want more? Nobody said anything about them being capable of taking occupying more land (which is debatable). Its not too hard to believe. I'm still not convinced that its true though. Many compare this to the ideas in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. I wouldnt put them together.

Maybe you should research a lil more too instead of just linking to a geocities web site. This guy isnt the only person who has written about this. Al-Jazeera had a debate on this. Check out one of Israel's coins and the conspiracy theory behind it. Apparently, it has the map that was pasted above. I wish I still had the link.

Do I believe it? I dont know enough about it so I wont say anything. Maybe you should do the same.

[old_n_grumpy]

Chitty,

Good to see you convinced the Canadians to remove that silly maple leaf from the flag and add a bit more colour. Do you like my giant boxing rat logo?

I would never presume to speak for another member but hfsc peace was making a valid point. It seems that some members must spend a great deal of time searching the net for something, anything that can be used as anti-western ammo to reinforce existing biases. No problem, if the ammo is at all credible, which unfortunately, much of the stuff posted at this site isn't. Opinion, assumption, speculation and generalisation are not fact.

[Shinyanga]

<font color="red"><b>Check the link yourself, but for goodness sake, DO RESEARCH 1ST, BEFORE YOU POST.<b><!--color-->[/color]

I just copied pasted the article, that was not my opinion so you either take it or leave it. I don’t see why you are getting excited.

Grumpy

<font color="green">…anything that can be used as anti-western ammo to reinforce existing biases. No problem, if the ammo is at all credible…<!--color-->[/color]

Do you consider yourself a westerner? In Europe, where are you originally from? I presume Liverpool. <img src="/threads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

[old_n_grumpy]

I'm originally from Texas but have lived in Australia since 1977.

[hfsc_peace]

you can copy and paste the life history of mickey mouse, but it has no meaning. No more than that story. That is the point of 5 minutes of work to find out what you are blindly copying and pasting

just a few minutes

[Faith]

Maybe Isreal has a secret project to clone an army of jews to sieze this territory. Do a search on the net for it.

ONG,
Chicken Fried Steak, Chili, BBQ, Tex-Mex... have you introduced your Aussie compatriots to the delight of Texas cuisine?

Its amazing how you'll just choose not to believe something because you dont agree with it.

[Shinyanga]

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[hfsc_peace]

How many in the IDF garrison the West bank?

What is the population of those lands (Jordan, Iraq, Syria)?

How many IDF troops would it take to garrison those lands?

How large is the IDF?

It's called WORK

You people believe what you want, but facts are against you. Iron hard, irrefutable, facts.

I realize that hysterical rumour mongered conspiracy theories about zionists coming out of your ears give you cause to live, but find a fact somewhere ...

This idea is for CHILDREN to believe ..

OVER AND OUT

[mutant]

The point that has to be noted here is the HARD FACT that Israel does plan to occupy vast portions of Arab land create their Greater Israel. They have made little secret about it. They may not have the resources to do it right now or maybe tommorow, but they do have plans they will try to do it. And this is enough to alarm us. What if someone were planning to attack invade your country?. Wouldn't that send alarm bells ringing?. Would that not invite any kind of concern at all?. For what I know, America would bomb those people.

[Animal]

Who said anything about the IDF. Zionville's headquarters are in the US. The US slave armies will carry out this plan starting with Iraq.

ha ha ha.. <img src="/threads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

[WT_Sherman]

off topic ........ !!

[Ugly_Truth]

Slave Army, where do you guys get these great catch phrases?



Speaking of which. Deserters in the Iraqi army are executed. Deserters in the American army are discharged.



<font color="red"> deserters from the American Army get a court-martial Ugly Truth, which could very well lead to an execution, though I doubt know of a presedent, I must admit <!--color-->[/color]

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[Dragon]

<img src="/threads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" />Shinyanga <img src="/threads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

Wo will enable such a dream to come true, is once again, and unfortunately the Arab-leaders. One admires the patience of Bush, the other came (A King) to Washington in support, all offer their service, open their harbors, ground and airports to the invading forces, what do you expect then? 2/3 of that Kuwait is claimed as a military zone, no single Kuwaiti could ever come near to it. The funny thing we ever heared of, was sending whatsocalled Desert-shield force to protect Kuwait? From whom? Who is the the aggressor now, or more precisely the host of aggression? Iraq or Kuwait? Guys be honest! Besides, the DS forces are maximum 20,000 altogether, belong to different states, armed with different weapons, they never had an fighting experience before, so what are they going to do? Just to give the cover for the invaison, The US will again says; "Hey World, we are not alone, look for yourselves, the inhintants of the region supports us!" The very same scenario from 1991.

Jordan sold the half of Palestin in 1948, and the other half in 1967, now it's time for Iraq?

O Dear Shinyanga, these historical arab-leaders will do Israel another big favor, by extending its border this time, after founding it in 1948.

[old_n_grumpy]

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[theman]

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[WT_Sherman]

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[MoonBeam]

The Iraqi women will be most grateful when it is all said and done. They can were bikins and thongs and even go topless at the "beaches". They can sleep with ALL the men they want, even women! Drugs and crime will be rampant! The prisons will be overflowing! PRAISE THE LORD!!!!

This is for the idiots who seem to know everything and believe their dear Israel is not an expansionist state:

"After we become a strong force as the result of the creation of the state, we shall abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine."
<b>David Ben-Gurion</b>

"It's not a matter of maintaining the status quo. We have to create a dynamic state, oriented towards expansion."
<b>Ben Gurion</b>

"Jordan is a part from Eretz Israel in history."
<b>Ariel Sharon</b>, When he became the Prime minister, 2000


"The Promised Land extends from the River of Egypt to the Euphrates. It includes parts of Syria and Lebanon."
<b>Rabbi Fischmann</b>, member of the Jewish Agency for Palestine, in his testimony to the U.N. Special Committee of Enquiry, 1947

"A partial Jewish State is not the end, but only the beginning. I am certain that we can not be prevented from settling in the other parts of the country and the region."
<b>David Ben Gurion</b>, in a letter to his son, 1937

"Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours... Everything we don't grab will go to them."
<b>Ariel Sharon</b>, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.

[Smedley_Butler]

They don't have the manpower to achieve this end. I have no idea if what you are posting is correct or not, but I DO understand manpower VERY WELL.

You're completely wrong if you think such a thing could come to pass. It's not possible. No more'n me flying over there on my own wings


Get it?

I never said they're going to do it. And I dont really think Israel will try to do such a thing unless if it gets an excellent opportunity, which probably wont happen.

All I am saying is that expansionism is a big part of Zionist. I dont care if they are going to do it or not. All I know is that they want to and theyve been wanting to for ages.

[Shinyanga]

Hello Dragon <img src="/threads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

You see, Arab leaders are under pressure, and they have no choice except to agree what America wants them to do. It is also true that Israeli lobby controls US foreign policy on Middle East.

So by removing Saddam Hussein from power Zionists are actually exploiting America to realize their dreams.

Imagine this to be the rubble of your house.
<img src="http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20030206/capt.1044550928.mideast_israel_palestinians_jrl112 .jpg">
Unidentified members of the Palestinian family Amleh, cry atop the rubble of their house, destroyed by Israeli forces, in the southern West Bank village of Beit Ula, west of Hebron, Thursday, Feb. 6, 2003. The army said they arrested Muhammad Amleh and found materials for explosive bombs in the house before they demolished it. (AP Photo/Nasser Shiyoukhi)

[Giver]

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You see, Arab leaders are under pressure, and they have no choice except to agree what America wants them to do. It is also true that Israeli lobby controls US foreign policy on Middle East.

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[franz_liebkin]

<font color="red"> German speaking member forbidden from this forum. You're banned. <!--color-->[/color]

[Dragon]

A Typical jewish hypocrisy. This dirty zionist-jewess wants to trap the vulenrable memebers exactly as her ancestors tried to trap Jesus. The Pharisees slyly tried using the focus of money and the rule of Cesar to entrap Jesus between the age old boundaries of church and state. Jesus#8217; incredible answer, so simply given but so wisely appropriate, stunned the Pharisees.



<b>16 And they sent out unto him their disciples with the Herodians, saying, Master, we know that thou art true, and teachest the way of God in truth, neither carest thou for any man: for thou regardest not the person of men.



17 Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not? 18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites!19 Show me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny. 20 And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription? 21 They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, 1Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.

22 When they had heard these words, they marvelled, and left him, and went their way.</b> Matthew 22:16-22



Dragon will answer you girl, the answer to your sly question is positive. Happy?



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[WS_Churchill]

Let us hope that some day soon, our hosts will be able to express themselves without reservation whether it is to be positively or negatively.

We all deserve this right.

We all need this right.

[Shinyanga]

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They don't have the manpower to achieve this end. I have no idea if what you are posting is correct or not, but I DO understand manpower VERY WELL.

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No one here is saying that this is going to happen, the point here is that Israelis do believe in this idea and I don’t think it is hard to understand this.



On the other hand twenty years ago if you said; "one day people will be carrying telephone sets in their pockets" known as cellular phones today, you would have been laughed at as a crackpot.



<font color="green"><b>You should never say never !</b><!--color-->[/color]



Get it?



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"Let the Jews, who claim to be the chosen race, prove their title by choosing the way of non-violence for vindicating their position on earth."



Mahatma Gandhi, Nov. 26, 1938