Arab League summit plan on hold!

[Dragon]

Arab League foreign ministers, meeting in Cairo, have failed to reach agreement on a date for holding an emergency summit on the Iraq crisis.

A weekend of discussions in Cairo have ended with the divisions among Arab League states painfully exposed.

The deadlock came as chief UN nuclear inspector, Mohamed ElBaradei, warned, in an interview with Egyptian television, that inspections in Iraq can't go on forever.

He said the Iraqi Government had to prove it had no weapons of mass destruction.

After two days of talks the foreign ministers were unable even to agree on a date for the heads of government summit proposed by the Egyptians, although the Arab League Secretary General, Amr Moussa, insisted the summit would go ahead.

Nothing's indeed to wonder all about, the offical stance of these leaders has been obvious since ages, they decided to bless the invasion. Some of them already talked directly that preventing such a war needs a <b>miracle!</b>. No comments!

Our fears, and we see them in the lights of the many experiences of the previous summits, whether the US has been behind holding such a summit, to give <b>legacy</b> to their aggression on Iraq. Such a matter has already took place in 1990, why not now again?

All the leaders there closed their eyes and stuffed their ears and fall in trance, and decided to let matters go, according to the supreme wish of the US. Never before has Europe seek the support of the arab-countries to its anti-war policy.

Yet the brothers prefer to put all their eggs in the very basket of the States, could it be that they can't decide for themselves? They are no stupid, that is for sure.

<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2767699.stm" target="_blank">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2767699.stm</a>

[Mujahid]

When have the Arabs ever reached to any one single conclusion.? They will never learn until they are stripped naked and paraded on the streets.

[Dragon]

Honestly, we are afraid you were right, Mr. Muj <img src="/threads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" />.

[theman]

If they were stripped naked and paraded around, people would then see for themselves that these so called leaders really had no balls.

if these chickens can't handle the responsibilty of being in charge of their people, they i have to say MOVE ASIDE.

let true men and women take your place so they can be a shield to protect the people from imperialistic crusade.

[Limerick]

such a shame you dont have the ability to vote your leaders out of power

Oh well, back to the sword

[theman]

such a shame that your leaders are handpicked by monied interests and you don't have to ability to be in a position of influence and speak out against your leaders because of your love for precious dollars.

Oh well back to being a sheep.

[Limerick]

1) "such a shame that your leaders are handpicked by monied interests"

excuse me? Just how do you think a leader is elected in the UK?

2) "you don't have to ability to be in a position of influence and speak out against your leaders because of your love for precious dollars

I would say that the ability to force out governments puts everyone in a position of huge influence

That bit about speaking out against our leaders made me laugh. Do you read the UK press - ever noticed how they slag off the Government with regularity? Did you notice the marches over the weekend? Ever heard of the miners strike? the Poll tax marches?

But lets see, what can you do in Islamic countries?
hmmmmmmmm

Better still, what would happen to people who criticised Saddam in public........?

and you call us sheeop???????!!!!!!

[hfsc_peace]

as ONE and say .. 'get the hell out of here!'

THAT is the way to stop 'amerikanski agressione' <img src="/threads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

[theman]

So what if your from UK, the method is which your sheep are herded is more sophisticated than those who graze the plains and mountains of USA.

and what does the public view opposing this war have to do with blair's decision to support bush blindly, nada.

I thought your "elected" representative are supposed to do your bidding. That has got to be embarrassing for the brits, from being the rulers of the world to a lacky in the side pocket of cowboy bush

matrix anyone?

[Dragon]

What's really going on in this mortals' world, Limi does write long textures and gives advices in addition? These are indeed very special events that need at once to be docummented, with golden scripts.

We share completely your mind Mr. theman, for these leaders have indeed done their people a great deal of harm, by robbing them the courage and dignity. They taught their people to fear their shadows and even to doubt their own. How could such a regulations fit for such a great nation like yours that once lead the world for centuries?

If the leaders have their reservations and fears to lose either their heads or chairs or both, what do the population still fear to lose? No, we don't call for revolts here, just get to the streets, and stay there till they change our attitude towards the national interests and the Fatherland. Let the world see that you are not less war-haters than your brothers in the world, don't be all that careless for your future. You alone who write future and history, or do you prefer it to be written for you?

[Limerick]

Mr man,



Please tell me exactly how a muslim goes about changing the government of his/her country (without the sword)?



Dragon,



You write ""We share completely your mind Mr. theman""



May I assume you are a Muslim then?

[WaMu3tasimah]

AsSalaamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh

Please allow me to voice my opinions, concerns and thoughts in your forum.

What really pisses me off about the "Arab League" is the very fact that it exist in regards to issues directly related to "Muslims." There is an Arab Summit and now an African Summit...SubhanAllah! Where is the MUSLIM SUMMIT/LEAGUE? Being a Muslim in American (fortunately or unfortunately) I share the same repulsive feelings regarding the B S that Muslims all over the world have to endure on the day to day basis. Solely because they are on the "siratul mustaqeem." It is a disgrace to be forced to pay taxes in a country that was violently taken away from it's original native american inhabitants for the sole benefit of supporting countries that have a main goal of destroying Muslims. It is a tragedy to be looked down upon by my Muslim Arab brothers and sisters to not even be worthy of receiving the salaam. Even when taking part in each and every protest and/or demonstration for Iraq, Palestine, etc. It is disappointing to only have contact with my Muslim Arab brothers and sisters only after September 11 when the majority of them were afraid of their own shadow and needed escorts to places normally taken for granted. Such as the grocery store, school, work and home. When they were afraid of retaliation by the kuffar, instead of only fearing Allah (swt). Then, that's when the Muslim Arabs wanted to socialize with the "others." It is evident that Muslims in America have already been subjected to the harsh reality of America's hatred of the believers. And believe me,,people (particularly the kuffar) are very aware of who is shaking in their boots and who is up for whatever challenge that is tossed their way. Wallahi, wallahi, waaallaaaahi...my intent is not to insult the Muslim Arabs. But at what point will we all come to the realization that a Muslim Summit/League is a necessity. The problems of my sisters and brothers and MY PROBLEMS AS WELL. Their struggle is MY STRUGGLE and I welcome that with open arms. But we, as Muslim nonarabs, feel shut out. I can safely say WITHOUT ANY DOUBT IN MY MIND that I am willing, ready and able to lay down my life for ANY Muslim, regardless of race, nationality or whatever. But, I do not feel comfortable believing that the same dedication, strength and will in return.

I could be wrong, but I believe there is at least 48 heads sitting at the table and we still have to worry about Muslims being oppressed in Bosnia, Kashmir, Palestine, etc. Ok, we have to accept the qadr of Allah. Alhamdulilah, I do openheartedly. But we also have to worry about being asked on the day of judgement of our part in struggle of our brothers and sisters. Where are the leaders with the cahonas to stand up to the oppressors? If what is being done to Muslims all over the world was being done to Israel and other places of "interest" by Muslims,,we all know there would be a target on all of our heads, regardless of Arab, African, American,,whatever.
The reality is the nonbeliever will not be satisfied until we believe as they believe. Regardless if you (not you directly, but if it applies to you) stop wearing hijab after September 11 or cut your beard, exchanged your cultural dress for more westernized clothing or IF YOU HAVE THE IGNORANCE TO BELIEVE THAT DISPLAYING AN AMERICAN FLAG ON YOUR CAR, IN YOUR HOUSE OR STORE will make them be more accepting of you. Give me a break, when the kuffar attacks, do you really think they are debating whether or not to attack "the ones" that don't wear hijab, don't have a beard, wears make up or even worst....the one that claims to be "American" first and Muslim second. Astaghfirullah! Brothers,,we really have Muslims here in American from the Arab part of the world that actually let this come out of their mouths, subhanAllah. When the kuffar decides to attack, they are thinking of attacking the MUSLIM. They don#8217;t have time to dice us up into contrasting groups, origins or levels of iman.

It is imperative that we have each other's back! We should not have to wonder if something happens.."can I depend on this brother if I am not from his land." This is what we, as Muslims in American (not American Muslims) think when we hear of things like the Arab Summit/League or when we hear scholars making du#8217;a for Allah (swt) to give victory to the #8220;Arabs#8221; (not to the Muslim, but to the Arabs). Brothers, we actually hear this from scholars. It#8217;s insulting.

I am NOT against the actual existence of the Arab Summit/League or the African Summit/League for that matter. There will be things that need to be discussed among Arabs, just as there will be things that an Muslim Arab would never understand about a Muslim African American. But we must prioritize. And #8220;I#8221; believe the priority at the moment should be towards the Muslims, not origins.

Does anybody understand what I am saying?????

Anything I said wrong is from shaitain and anything I said right is from my faith and belief in Allah (swt), his last and final messenger and fear of the hereafter.

[Dragon]

<b>You write ""We share completely your mind Mr. theman""

May I assume you are a Muslim then? </b>



Limi,The only member who's allowed to assume everything, is soley you, we grant you such a right, even to assume that we are the Mufti of KSA. <img src="/threads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/threads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Just don't assume that we both share the same faith, and we will be happy.



Gentlemen <img src="/threads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />



We indeed feel that the this summit is like that one in 1990, to give legacy to the US invaison, and throwing all the blame on the Iraqis. Just 10 days ago, was the egyptian president Mubarak repeats over and over again, that no summit will help stopping the war's march, and suddenly after 5 days, it turn to be the entire sense on holding such a summit. <img src="/threads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> This is fishy, real fishy! <img src="/threads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/threads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

[MoonBeam]

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I share the same repulsive feelings regarding the B S that Muslims all over the world have to endure on the day to day basis. Solely because they are on the "siratul mustaqeem." It is a disgrace to be forced to pay taxes in a country that was violently taken away from it's original native american inhabitants for the sole benefit of supporting countries that have a main goal of destroying Muslims.

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You are more than welcome to leave the country if you really find paying taxes repulsive.

[WT_Sherman]

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This is what we, as Muslims in American (not American Muslims)

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Lemme tell you something about "WE".

WE work with muslims who would find your attitude REPULSIVE
WE have stood up for others to remain in the United States
WE know these muslims have ESCAPED from the madness of middle east, because WE were told this BEFORE 9/11 and then when ALL THIS happened they said "SEE?"

So please, allow me to take your WE and invite you to leave this nation you despise for places where you can salaam each other without the fear you personally feel.

YOU, you ungrateful little person are EXACTLY who does NOT BELONG HERE. You are no american ANYTHING, but rather a parasite to suck from this land, this economy what you can while you can, an accepting all the while simpletons explanations of our history, and hating us?

From what YOU said in MY JUDGEMENT you are a prime candidate to support OTHERS against the safety of the people here, and unlike ANY OF THE MUSLIMS I HAVE WORKED WITH.

GO IN PEACE. Find comfort elsewhere


NOW

[speak_freely99]

Well spoken.



<font color="red"> let's not start with the insults towards members now!! If you have something to add to the topic, please go ahead and say it. No need to cheer leaed, this is not a Chat room SP99 ....... I'm not repeating my self to you again. <!--color-->[/color]

[WaMu3tasimah]

Moonbeam,,

Your point is well taken and respected. And this is certainly something that is currently in the making, inshaallah.

[WaMu3tasimah]

WT Sherman.

It would be very easy for me to be on the defense and display a displeasing mentality. However, this is not my character. You are entitled to your theories and opinions, just as I am. I welcomed that and I certainly respect that. If I am wrong, you have an obligation to correct me. And if your wrong, I have the same obligation towards you. But this is not a case for either, I stand firmly by my words and opinions regarding this issue and I am sure you do also. Allahu ilam what your intentions are, as well as, my intentions. I can maturely accept "constructive critism" very well and you should do the same. This is merely a difference of opinion regarding the same issue. There is no need for insults and ill words. I am very willing to continue the discussion (WITHOUT INSULTS).

willing and waiting

[hfsc_peace]

You are not forced to pay taxes, simply STOP. Many do. One only has to face the responsibility of conscience in this regard. Many who refused to serve, or allow themselves to be drafted from 1967-1975 did as much.

I must say that while WT tends to be undiplomatic, never the less, I believe his sentiments, given my very similar experiences with those of your faith and there are MANY here in pure medical research, very accurate.

I would humbly suggest you would be happier elsewhere with the attitude you have displayed. Whether the innocent civilians of america would be safer were you to leave, is known but to you. Have you contributed to BIF, or a work-alike group? Did you suspect? Or, is it more? Or less?

Frankly I'd rather not guess, and you don't want to pay taxes to the inheritors of lands from the abenaki or crow. Which means, many lands shall be unsuitable for you.

[WaMu3tasimah]

hfsc peace

Actually, I have.

[hfsc_peace]

Given to BIF?

And did you suspect?

Or would it matter?

[WaMu3tasimah]

hfsc peace.

Yes. If you asked, I assume it does.

[WaMu3tasimah]

I do agree with this point. However, from a different aspect.

[hfsc_peace]

Please enlighten me

[WaMu3tasimah]

In reference to??

[Ugly_Truth]

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So what if your from UK, the method is which your sheep are herded is more sophisticated than those who graze the plains and mountains of USA.

and what does the public view opposing this war have to do with blair's decision to support bush blindly, nada.

I thought your "elected" representative are supposed to do your bidding. That has got to be embarrassing for the brits, from being the rulers of the world to a lacky in the side pocket of cowboy bush


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Yet you all listen to OBL, praise what a great humanitarian he is, and you call us sheep. You are taught to never, ever question the quran. You call us sheep.

Face it, you are all brainwashed into not thinking for yourselves. We at least, see every side to every action. We've seen the protests, we've heard the pluses and the minuses. We've seen the world reaction.

What have you seen in your papers lately?

By the way, calling Bush a Cowboy, is NOT an insult over here. The further west you go, the bigger the compliment it is. In Texas, where he's lived, it's a very big compliment.

He was once a partial owner of the Rangers as well.

[hfsc_peace]

Today the Arab League could not even agree on the DATE for their next meeting about all this.

This defies description. I literally don't even know how to think about that.

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such a shame you dont have the ability to vote your leaders out of power

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Such a shame that even though you have your valued democracy, you still can't make your leader not go to war. Tsk tsk tsk. I'd rather live in reality than a lie.

[WT_Sherman]

What on EARTH makes you think he is not carrying on EXACTLY as we wish to?

[Dragon]

As we posted this the other day, we were not aware of the swift decision to send what socalled Desert Shield force to Kuwait. Now as we just learned this matter, then there is no doubt at all, that the purpose of that summit, is soley to give legacy for the invaision.

MB was well known as a Zionist Jewess, now you took the Nazi Flag as her avatar? No wonder, the cooperation between nazis and zionist was deeper as you imagine.

To the Arab and Muslims, unfortunately you didn't learn from the past, the history repeats itself, yet you reapeat the same mistakes over and over agaon. May God help you!