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shahada
19th February 2003, 01:15 AM
<a href="http://www.omanforum.com/threads/showthreaded.php?Cat=Board=politicsNumber=1644page =0view=collapsedsb=5o=vc=1" target="_blank">UN Resolutions violated by Israel</a>

Dragon
19th February 2003, 02:08 AM
<img src="/threads/images/graemlins/evil.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/threads/images/graemlins/devil.gif" alt="" /> Yet not even a single sister of the Rosenbergs here will refer slightly to this. This is awful, gentlemen! <img src="/threads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

<img src="/threads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> We bet they are now singing their favorite march, <b>"The Zionists' March is On!"</b>, and honestly it's your fault all alone allowing is to happen.

Stand for your rights and don't expect them to fall upon you from the blue Heaven.

There is a great difference between defending the rights and aggression and suppression of the other nations due to their weakness and the corruption of their leaders. The Membership of the powerful nations' club is not for free, an entrance price must be paid.

old_n_grumpy
19th February 2003, 02:31 AM
The following excerpt is from an analysis by The Economist of the supposed double standards in enforcement of UN resolutions applying to Iraq and Israel. It is very instructive.

See full article at: <a href="http://www.economist.com/PrinterFriendly.cfm?Story_ID=1378577" target="_blank">http://www.economist.com/PrinterFriendly.cfm?Story_ID=1378577</a>

The UN distinguishes between two sorts of Security Council resolution. Those passed under Chapter Six deal with the peaceful resolution of disputes and entitle the council to make non-binding recommendations. Those under Chapter Seven give the council broad powers to take action, including warlike action, to deal with “threats to the peace, breaches of the peace, or acts of aggression”. Such resolutions, binding on all UN members, were rare during the cold war. But they were used against Iraq after its invasion of Kuwait. None of the resolutions relating to the Israeli-Arab conflict comes under Chapter Seven. By imposing sanctions—including military ones—against Iraq but not against Israel, the UN is merely acting in accordance with its own rules.

The distinctiveness of Chapter Seven resolutions, and the fact that none has been passed in relation to Israel, is acknowledged by Palestinian diplomats. It is, indeed, one of their main complaints. A Palestine Liberation Organisation report, entitled “Double Standards” and published at the end of September, pointed out that, over the years, the UN has upheld the Palestinians' right to statehood, condemned Israel's settlements and called for Israel to withdraw. But “no enforcement action or any other action to implement UN resolutions and international law has been ordered by the Security Council.”

But what if, for the sake of argument, the main Security Council resolutions on the Arab-Israeli conflict had been Chapter Seven resolutions? The problem would then arise that <b>Resolution 242 of 1967, passed after the six-day war and frequently cited in the double-standards argument, does not say what a lot of the people who quote it think it says. It does not instruct Israel to withdraw unilaterally from the territories occupied in 1967. It does not condemn Israel's conquest, for the good reason that most western powers at that time thought it the result of a justifiable pre-emptive war. It calls for a negotiated settlement, based on the principle of exchanging land for peace. This is a very different matter.</b>

In the case of Iraq, the Security Council has instructed Mr Hussein to take various unilateral actions that he is perfectly capable of taking. Resolution 242 cannot be implemented unilaterally, even if Israel wanted to do so.

Why? First is the question of borders. Some of the diplomats who drafted Resolution 242 said afterwards that they intended to allow for some changes in the armistice lines that separated Israel and its Arab neighbours before the war of 1967. There has been a dreary argument for three decades over the meaning of the absence of a definite article (in the English text) before the phrase “territories occupied in the recent conflict”. The Arabs maintain that the resolution requires a complete withdrawal from every inch. But even if this were so, the resolution cannot be implemented without arriving at a negotiated agreement.

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It is commonly asserted that Israel's occupation is “illegal”. This is questionable. In March, for the first time ever, Kofi Annan, the UN's secretary-general, called Israel's occupation illegal, but it is no accident that he has not repeated this claim. In the view of Sir Adam Roberts, professor of international relations at the University of Oxford, it was a “serious mistake” to describe the occupation itself, as opposed to some of Israel's actions as an occupier, in this way. In a subsequent letter to the New York Times, Mr Annan's spokesman admitted as much. The secretary-general, he said, had not intended to refer to the legality of Israel's occupation of the territories during the war of 1967, only to breaches of its obligations as an occupying power.

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Legal or not, the occupation has lasted a terribly long time. But this is not solely Israel's fault. In 1967, it was the Arabs who rejected Resolution 242. They certainly did not accept Israel's new post-war borders, but nor did they recognise its pre-war borders. They did not, in fact, acknowledge Israel's right to exist at all. This posture persisted for a dozen years after 1967, until Egypt alone made peace. The Palestinians, pledging still to “liberate” all Palestine and dissolve the Jewish state, waited longer. Not until the late 1980s, some 40 years after Israel's birth and 20 years after the 1967 war, did Mr Arafat's PLO indicate an interest in a two-state solution. Under the rules of “belligerent occupation”, Israel should not have mucked about during those 20 years with the status of the captured lands. But it is not wholly surprising, given the continuing rejection and siege, that it did.

When the Palestinians decided that they were no longer bent on its extirpation, Israel responded. In 1993 it signed an agreement with the PLO under which the two sides undertook to implement Resolution 242 by negotiation, thus putting all the contentious issues—Jerusalem, the settlements and the refugees—on the bargaining table. Two years ago the talks failed, to be followed by a new Palestinian intifada and the election of the unyielding Mr Sharon. The Israelis claim that their agreement to negotiate the thorny issues with the Palestinians supersedes the relevant UN resolutions on settlements and the rest, a view which the Security Council might accept if the negotiations got back on track. In the meantime, the council's rulings on Jerusalem and the settlements stand.

Ugly_Truth
19th February 2003, 06:23 AM
Actually, I think that Israel has violated around 22 resolutions. Question is, who wrote the resolutions?

Giver
19th February 2003, 06:33 AM
I love it when I see the pro-Palestinian crowd whining about Israel not having followed U.N. Resolutions. These are the same Palestinians and Arabs who insisted the U.N. had no authority to create Israel in the first place <i>but of course now they insist Israel must yield to the U.N.'s authority!</i>



Having lost three wars which they began with Israel, and having had their butts kicked in all three, they all of a sudden decide the U.N. ain't so bad after all. Ha!

Dragon
19th February 2003, 08:13 AM
<b>Having lost three wars which they began with Israel, and having had their butts kicked in all three, they all of a sudden decide the U.N. ain't so bad after all. Ha! </b>

Wow, indeed the Rosenbergs do history. Did The Arabs really begin 3 wars, may the Heaven perish the liar here. Could someone else tell answer this BS? Except of Oc 6th, 1973, the arabs have never started a war. And guess what, the only time that they achieved a relative victory, before they decided to waste it silly.

Israel has adapted our Blitz-Krieg technique in all her wars, and was ever keen to have the battle field on the others grounds, that is the damage should happen outside the borders.

As we understand little something of military, mostly thanks the comics we read, we tell you this Israel has two killing spots, if one hit her in either of them:

I. The move the battle inside Israel.
II.To be long term war.

Israel depends strongly on the airforce, to neutralize the enemy's defence and air-crafts, they used to hit the latter on the ground, one asks himself whether due to treason or what. They have indeed a very good organization and excellent communication between the land forces units and the air force. Due to superiority in number and quality in air-crafts, the use of the air-crafts doesn't need to be centralized and rationed, any commandor of a tanks unit, could anytime ask for the air-force aid.

Israel mobilizes normally 25% of its population, in the war time, so having long wars, will swiftly drive the Israeli-economy in a certain collapse. The wars should be thus short and assertive.

The danger is to depend so strongly on the airforce, A. Hilter committed such a killing mistake at the east front, and thought that the supplyment could be delivered by air, this impossible by then, even now it's real hard task. The land force actually who occupy the land, and the infantry is the most important in this aspect, an infantry group is designed to hold against 3 tanks groups, maybe our information is updated now, or we should read another comics then. What do you think, sister?

The quality of the weapons in the hands of the Arabs has played always a very important role, the Russians usually supplied even their best friends, the Egyptians with the one before the last generation, and taking in consideration, the that the US up to 1973 was leading the SU with at least 2 generations in the air-crafts technology, we come to a difference of 3 generations in equipment and machinery in the favor of Israel, who always get the last generation, sometimes before imploying them in the US army even.

In 1973 war, the US made a non-stop air-bridge, this time were the air-crafts with their pilots, the first use of the DU was at Sini, on the tanks battles there.

These are very important factors, but we see yet another one beyond them all, namely, the moral of the soldiers on each side. We leave that to somebody of the natives here to explain, and finish our post by stating the fact, that Israel could afford just one and only defeat, then game is over.

WT_Sherman
19th February 2003, 08:20 AM
One loss for Israel, GAME OVER. This explaines everything including america's support. More, it's why someone like me or Georgie Patton is always running the IDF.



Rule of life.



More ... 1973 ... Israel threaten to nuke the Egyptiona 3rd army AND the Syrians since they are about to run out of ammo..and THAT fans is why you had the airbridge.



For you Dragon, an interesting *** moment. How different would the world have been had the USA done nothing and allowed the obliteration of of both arab armies and Damascus, Cairo?

Giver
19th February 2003, 09:42 AM
Drag-on,

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Wow, indeed the Rosenbergs do history. Did The Arabs really begin 3 wars, may the Heaven perish the liar here. Could someone else tell answer this BS? Except of Oc 6th, 1973, the arabs have never started a war. And guess what, the only time that they achieved a relative victory, before they decided to waste it silly.

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Yeah right. And I suppose it was the Poles who began WWII in September 1939 right?

Dragon
20th February 2003, 01:01 AM
G'yver bad Girl?



What has one matter to do with the other? <img src="/threads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Do you deny that Israel did start all the wars, from 1948 till the invaison of Lebanon, etc? Do you dare to deny that?



<b>it was the Poles who began WWII in September 1939</b> So we could only accept it if you say it, to please you Madam. We will in adition make an exception and declare it for a fact of your pack of lies, happy? Don't say that we are targeting you personally. But guess what? This has nothing to do with our topic here.



Well Shereman, you see the hypocrisy of the USA, while Israel has Nukes and WMD and threatens to use them, the hunt goes on hot foot after Iraq who has non.



We want, and have a right to know, why? The given lies by the US administration doesn't even one like G'yver here, why? Why? Why? Why? <img src="/threads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> Besides Isn't Israel a real exporter of a very advanced types of weapon? Isn't true, that many Weapon factories shifted from the States to Israel? Well, why was these 80 Dollars weapons that Kuwait bought? Come on, that is all fishy. Very expensive weapons, for what if more than 200,000 US GI's are in the region, they wanted to milk these fools there up to last drop, wake up guys!

shahada
20th February 2003, 01:20 AM
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,898550,00.html" target="_blank">US plan for new nuclear arsenal - The Guardian</a>

Read all about it...

and prepare your selfs, you are next after Iraq. Whoever you are.

Dragon
20th February 2003, 01:44 AM
What's next? shahada, it's obvious, while Iraq's is being invaded by the good men (Just to please the Rosenbergs here) Israel with invade Lebanon, to get rid of the resistance of Hizbullah there. The US will target Syria to liquid the rest of the they called "The nest of the Palestinian's terrorism". As the entire Gulf-States are already occupied, we not say more about them, but a special treatment awaits the KSA, then the best of all is then for Egypt. This is no fantasy, it has been published announced in all the newspaper, do you guys read? Do you guys hear? Do you guys understand? Sure you do!

hfsc_peace
20th February 2003, 02:01 AM
1986.

Grow up.

speak_freely99
20th February 2003, 02:52 AM
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Dragon said :

while Israel has Nukes and WMD and threatens to use them

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Wrong. Isreal has <b>never</b> threathened to use WMD. God knows they had enough provocation when Saddam lobbed a few scuds in their direction during the last Gulf War.

franz_liebkin
20th February 2003, 04:25 AM
Vee must change zis!

Mein got !

Vere is Von Runstedt ven vee need him!

Brasco
20th February 2003, 08:40 AM
"I love it when I see the pro-Palestinian crowd whining about Israel not having followed U.N. Resolutions. These are the same Palestinians and Arabs who insisted the U.N. had no authority to create Israel in the first place but of course now they insist Israel must yield to the U.N.'s authority!"

I think it would be more accuarate to describe it thus: The UN created Israel and it has caused much misery on the Palestinian population. It is therefore fair and right that the UN should impose the solution to ensure above all that the people who inhabited the land before the creation are protected AT ALL COSTS.

No love of the UN here.

Giver
20th February 2003, 08:44 AM
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"I love it when I see the pro-Palestinian crowd whining about Israel not having followed U.N. Resolutions. These are the same Palestinians and Arabs who insisted the U.N. had no authority to create Israel in the first place but of course now they insist Israel must yield to the U.N.'s authority!"

I think it would be more accuarate to describe it thus: The UN created Israel and it has caused much misery on the Palestinian population. It is therefore fair and right that the UN should impose the solution to ensure above all that the people who inhabited the land before the creation are protected AT ALL COSTS.

No love of the UN here.

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Believe it or not I agree with you. I suspect that the U.N.'s days are near over anyway.

Brasco
20th February 2003, 08:48 AM
"Wrong. Isreal has never threathened to use WMD. God knows they had enough provocation when Saddam lobbed a few scuds in their direction during the last Gulf War."

A few drunk scuds that fall into the Israeli desert are what constitutes a provocation to use WMD?

How much greater justification should then be accorded to Iraq if they have WMD and decide to use them against an invading force in defence of the nation?

WT_Sherman
20th February 2003, 08:49 AM
UN is useless, whether it is to create a nation state, protect the muslims sheltering under their care in Srebenica, get to the refugees in Rwanda, or just GET OUT OF THE WAY.

We have worked with both UNESCO and WHO and these are okay (but still waste a lot of $$). As for the UN itself, a waster of life, and a waste of life.

speak_freely99
20th February 2003, 10:47 AM
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Brasco

A few drunk scuds that fall into the Israeli desert are what constitutes a provocation to use WMD?

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Pray do tell what you would consider suitable provocation ?

Back to the discussion - When did Israel threaten to us WMD ?