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Totenhosen
30th April 2003, 08:25 AM
<a href="http://www.foxnews.com" target="_blank">http://www.foxnews.com</a> Do you guys think this will be a step in the right direction?



RAMALLAH, West Bank #8212; The Palestinian parliament approved Mahmoud Abbas (search) as prime minister Tuesday, clearing the final obstacle to the launch of a U.S.-backed plan that holds the first real hope of ending 2 years of Israeli-Palestinian fighting and renewing peace talks.

The plan, sponsored by the "quartet" of Mideast mediators, could be unveiled by Thursday, a diplomat said.

In his first speech to parliament, Abbas stuck to traditional Palestinian positions toward Israel. But he also pledged to disarm militias, a promise that could set up a violent showdown between the Palestinian Authority and militant groups like Hamas and Islamic Jihad.

"I think that I can meet all my obligations in the government, for the sake of our people," a smiling Abbas said after the vote.

But the task facing the 68-year-old premier, who despite a long career has little experience in the power politics of day-to-day government, appears overwhelming.

He'll have to keep at bay Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat (search), who remains popular, retains some powers -- including control of some security organizations -- and has already tried to sabotage him by objecting to his Cabinet selections.

And in a sign of the troubles ahead, the Islamic militant Hamas warned it has no intention of disarming or ending attacks on Israelis.

The United States and Israel are eager to do business with Abbas, an outspoken opponent of violence among the Palestinian leadership. But the international support has hurt Abbas at home, with many Palestinians considering him a U.S. puppet.

Underscoring the difficulties was the violence that continued to rage, with Israeli troops killing three militants and a bystander even as the lawmakers gathered in Ramallah to confirm Abbas' Cabinet.

The confirmation -- by 51-18, with three abstentions -- clears the way for the unveiling of the so-called road map to Palestinian statehood. U.S. officials have said the plan would be formally unveiled once Abbas was installed.

The first stage calls for a cease-fire, a crackdown on Palestinian militias, an Israeli withdrawal from Palestinian towns and the dismantling of Jewish settlements erected since 2001. A Palestinian state with provisional borders could be established by year's end and full statehood within three years, according to the timetable.

A quartet diplomat, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the plan could be published Wednesday or Thursday, after consultations among the mediators -- the United States, European Union, United Nations and Russia.

In his speech, Abbas affirmed his acceptance of the road map, but rejected changes by Israel, saying: "The road map must be implemented, not negotiated."

Israel says Palestinians must stop all violence before it makes any peace moves.

Among the abstainers was the activist Hanan Ashrawi, who complained that Abbas had chosen ministers based on personal loyalty.

Abbas, who favors suit-and-tie attire in contrast to Arafat's penchant for military-style dress, delivered his agenda as he sat next to the Palestinian leader on a dais, facing a packed reception hall in Arafat's West Bank headquarters.

Legislators traditionally hold part of their session in Arafat's office because he is afraid of leaving the compound, fearing he will be targeted by Israel. For the vote, the parliament moved to its own building in downtown Ramallah.

Abbas staked out familiar positions on peace talks. He said the Palestinians "will not accept anything less" than a complete Israeli withdrawal from the West Bank and Gaza Strip, a Palestinian capital in east Jerusalem, and a dismantling of all Jewish settlements.

He appeared to be taking a softer stance on the fate of 4 million Palestinian refugees and their descendants, saying there should be a "fair and acceptable" solution but not insisting explicitly on their "right of return" to Israel.

In perhaps the strongest denunciation of terrorism by a senior Palestinian official, Abbas said: "We are convinced that such methods do not lend support to a just cause like ours, but rather destroy it." Arafat has condemned attacks on Israelis, but in ambiguous fashion, and Israel has accused him of encouraging, and even financing, attacks.

Abbas promised to weed out corruption, including among the security forces, and hinted at a crackdown on militias. "The unauthorized possession of weapons ... is a major concern that will be relentlessly addressed," he said, adding that there would be "one authority, one law."

A Hamas leader, Abdel Aziz Rantisi, said the group would "never drop its weapons and will not allow anyone to disarm it."

Addressing the Israelis, Abbas took a rarely heard conciliatory tone: "We do not ignore the suffering of the Jews throughout history." His aides said he added the sentence to the speech -- delivered on Israel's Holocaust Remembrance Day -- because he felt stung by accusations that in his doctoral thesis in the 1970s, he diminished the scope of the Nazi genocide.

Israel said it would judge Abbas by his actions. "Any Palestinian government and any prime minister will be judged by two criteria -- the extent to which he will execute the most urgent, necessary reforms in government and the extent to which he's going to perform the necessary steps to stop terrorism," said Raanan Gissin, an adviser to Prime Minister Ariel Sharon. Gissin said Sharon was ready, in principle, to invite Abbas for talks in Jerusalem. The two have met repeatedly in the past.

During a four-hour debate that preceded the vote, Abbas was grilled about a possible crackdown on militias. Abbas held his own in the often stormy discussion, commanding silence when some legislators tried to interrupt.

Several legislators said they were skeptical about Abbas' reform promises and complained that he missed a chance for a sweeping Cabinet overhaul.

His critics noted his appointees included several marred by corruption charges, particularly Mohammed Dahlan, who was chosen to lead the campaign against the militants.

In Tuesday's violence, an Israeli helicopter gunship fired four missiles at a car in the Gaza Strip, killing Nidal Salama, a senior member of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, a small radical PLO faction, and a bystander. Troops in the West Bank fatally shot two members of the Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades, a militia linked to Arafat's Fatah movement.

FooFoo
30th April 2003, 09:17 AM
Step in the right direction? I think we'll have to wait and see. It seems like there are a million things that can go wrong before there ever is a Palestinian state.



Although the West has been pressuring the Palestinians to get "real representation" before the peace plan goes further. Now it seems they are going to call the U.S bluff.

hfsc_peace
30th April 2003, 11:28 AM
by Hamas, Islamic Jihad and or Hizb'allah.

It's HIS move to make. If he has HALF a brain, he'll use every bit of power he can muster to arrest and or kill the killers.

Any other result, and it's back to square one.

A big wall around 3 million unemployed people, or tents in the desert

30th April 2003, 02:54 PM
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he'll use every bit of power he can muster to arrest and or kill the killers.

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Of course, use the "democratic" American/Israeli strategies of killing people without trying them. If he does anything even close to that the Arab world will know he's another Chalabi, an American puppet.

I think he's doing enough not to be seen as a puppet tho. Lets hope he continues. Hamas and the Jihad definitely made his work 10 times harder.

Totenhosen
1st May 2003, 03:22 AM
Come on there has got to be more opinions out there. Is this not a big deal to Arabs or is it seen as another attempt by Israel to control the Palestinians?

hfsc_peace
1st May 2003, 03:42 AM
he'll HAVE to kill them.

Do you see a meek surrender and trial?

Or more cynically, if you were Mazen would you want Shaykh Yassin in your jail waiting to become a martyr at your hands in a trial????

Rule of law would be great to see, but that's not exactly the history over there

Brasco
1st May 2003, 05:24 AM
How can there be rule of law when there is no rule?

The Palestinians are not in control of their own laws, their own movements, their roads or who they elect as leaders.

Hamas are popular with the people because they retaliate against Israeli aggression where nothing else has worked to free them from all these years of oppression, misery, povery and refugee status in their own land.

The people want to be protected wherever they may be. YOU yourself have spoken passionately about the right of the US to react with awesome military might against real or even "potential" adversaries.

No protection is given to the Palestinians. Not by the UN that created their misery. Or the British that gave the UN the job. Or the US that simply continues to condone anything the Israelis do ostensibly because they are a democratic country.

As if Arafat is not the choice of the people.

Even if the new Prime Minister is able to "reign in" the militans so that talks can go on, then what?

Sharon's government has already stated that they are willing to make "painful concessions" for the sake of peace.

But none of these includes even the discussion of the right of return of Palestinians to ethnically cleansed lands, the issue of Jerusalem which is "eternal and indivisible" or the dismantlement of many settlements. Not to mention water rights, "special access roads" or Lebanese and Syrian land.

Where will the negotiations begin?

It is a farce and Hamas and her many Palestinian supporters have already come to this conclusion.

Israel do not want to negotiate. They want to DICTATE.

The only thing between that scenario and the Palestinians are Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Al Aqsa Martyrs and Hizbullah.

Sad, but true.

What does the Prime Minister have to offer?

1st May 2003, 05:26 AM
If he does kill them he'd be declaring himself the enemy of the Palestinian people and Israel's puppy dog. Remember, 70% of Palestinians support the militant organizations, and I cant blame them. Nobody has represented Palestinian frustration better than them.

Totenhosen
1st May 2003, 05:39 AM
So you guys are saying that violence from both sides will continue. Would Hamas and other such groups agree to a one-month cease fire to see if what the U.S. proposes will come to some sort of existence? Seems like there is a viable plan in front of them and they just spit on it.

hfsc_peace
1st May 2003, 11:00 AM
The past has shown without question that it takes NO effort simply let things go on. Once a month or so the Israelis will miss a bomber and we have an incident. They will retaliate by killing some HAMAS member(s) and accidently kill 1-15 others around. In the meantime the checkpoints and unemployment grind out of existance any real hope in the west bank.

Palestinians created as many universities as ALL ARABS NATIONS PUT TOGETHER before the intifada, folks. This has meaning. If the militants are favored today (and I do believe it is so), then someone has to lead the people away from this fate. There can be NO military solution. The can be NO palestine from the river to the sea. The only way to safeguard the Palestinians and bring them back into those 7 universities, and the careers ahead, is to lead them away from the insanity. While the 'pious' call to jihad of Shaykh Yassin is like a siren's call to a sex starved man, especially backed by the charity work of HAMAS this does NOT mean that it leads ANYWHERE. A leader's job is to recognize what is possible and GET THERE. Yassin wants the impossible.

We will see what the new prime minister wants QUICKLY.

Remember, when Israel was born Ben Gurion SQUASHED the Irgun and Stern Gang like BUGS. A state cannot have GANGS running around undermining its domain. If palestine is to be a state, there can be no 'Stern gang' !

If you want to see a Palestine (which must of necessity mean an Israel 12 miles wide ..17 km)... these entities have to go. The mechanism for this is the air the new PM must breath.