Dr. Zakir Naik, 26th(Grand Mosque, 8:30pm) & 27th(Qurum Amphitheater, 8:30 pm)

[siah786]

Dr Zakir Naik, an internationally-acclaimed orator and scholar,
is visiting Muscat yet again much to the delight of his massive fan
following.
Dr Zakir Naik's tremendous ability to quote extensively and verbatim
from the Holy Quran and other religious scriptures like the Bible and
the Vedas, has made him an expert on comparative religion.

He explains the teachings of Islam as well as convincingly clears
misconceptions about Islam with references from the Holy Quran and
Hadith, and with the help of logic and science.

President of Islamic Research Foundation, Mumbai, Dr Zakir Naik is on a
mission inviting Muslims, Christians and Hindus to discuss similarities
in their religions and shunning the communal approach.

Coming from a family of doctors, Naik was initially studying for
Medicine at Nair Hospital in Mumbai.

It was in 1987 that he heard late Ahmed Deedat, a celebrated scholar on
comparative religion from South Africa, speak.

In his lecture, Deedat quoted Verse 33, Chapter 41 of the Holy Quran,
which says: ''Who is better in speech than one who calls men to God,
works righteousness and says, 'I submit my will to God'.''
''I was
fascinated by this verse. It changed my life. From a doctor, I turned
into an orator,''says Naik.

Bridging chasm between different communities is one of his objectives.
He has delivered more than 1,200 public talks in more than 25 countries...........DO NOT MISS THIS OPPORTUNITY TO CLEAR DOUBTS AND MISCONCEPTIONS OF ALL RELIGIONS.....http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=228508&id=520225031&saved#/photo.php?pid=6215118&id=520225031

[Yahya Bhai]

Oh. Now the date is changed?

[siah786]

yupppp...

[Yahya Bhai]

it's good....
both the days are holidays

[muscateer]

Just wanted to add: People of all faiths are invited.

[Yahya Bhai]

ah. thanks

[Openmind]

The intellectual subtance of Zakir Naik's arguments are pitched at about 16 year olds, or people who have little or no education. So if you're a Zakir Naik fan, then it says a lot about yourself.

[50 Sense]

Just wanted to add: People of all faiths are invited.

Great!

Can't wait to go there to hear my religion's holy books quoted out of context and made fun of.

[tomo]

The intellectual subtance of Zakir Naik's arguments are pitched at about 16 year olds, or people who have little or no education. So if you're a Zakir Naik fan, then it says a lot about yourself.

Can't believe someone posts junk like this one from Openmind.

[muscateer]

Great!

Can't wait to go there to hear my religion's holy books quoted out of context and made fun of.
Why dont you go and listen to what he has to say? It shouldn't affect you if you are right. Don't just not go because you are afraid the truth will become apparent to you.

[Yahya Bhai]

Why dont you go and listen to what he has to say? It shouldn't affect you if you are right. Don't just not go because you are afraid the truth will become apparent to you.

hmmm....maybe understanding of the religious books varies from person to person....

[50 Sense]

Why dont you go and listen to what he has to say? It shouldn't affect you if you are right. Don't just not go because you are afraid the truth will become apparent to you.

Alright, maybe you're right. But I don't think Mr Naik will be discussing similarities of religions, or how every religion has things you can take inspiration from.

I won't be able to go though, due to my busy schedule, so I hope someone will report on what went on in these lectures.

[Openmind]

A typical Zakir Naik lecture is where he takes a few quotes from a religious text (either Bible or Vedas), and then applies his own meaning to it to "prove" his worldview. He then invents a lot of "similarities" between the religions, but claims that Islam is the one true religion. He may throw in a few things about Quranic "science" too.
Throughout this, the audience that is made up of morons (average IQ of about 80) excitedly clap and cheer away. It reminds me of Jerry Spinger (the stupidity of the audience that is).
Most Zakir Naik fans (and indeed Zakir Naik himself) are deeply insecure about their own faith by the fact that they are so exicted by, and cling to the complete nonsense that he talks about.

By all means attend, but if you feel that his presentation is really on your wavelength, then that says a lot about your IQ.

[911muscat]

Out of curiousity - Is this event free ?

I can't imagine that Zakir Naik would have done 1,200 public talks in 25 countries for free. What is his motive ?

I just can't help but think there is an ulterior motive same as the Bible Bashers in the US who Talk the Talk and end up becoming Millionaires - Like Openmind suggested - it's a feeding frenzy for the least educated.

[50 Sense]

A typical Zakir Naik lecture is where he takes a few quotes from a religious text (either Bible or Vedas), and then applies his own meaning to it to "prove" his worldview. He then invents a lot of "similarities" between the religions, but claims that Islam is the one true religion. He may throw in a few things about Quranic "science" too.
Throughout this, the audience that is made up of morons (average IQ of about 80) excitedly clap and cheer away. It reminds me of Jerry Spinger (the stupidity of the audience that is).
Most Zakir Naik fans (and indeed Zakir Naik himself) are deeply insecure about their own faith by the fact that they are so exicted by, and cling to the complete nonsense that he talks about.

By all means attend, but if you feel that his presentation is really on your wavelength, then that says a lot about your IQ.

Terrific description, Openmind.:hahano:

[siah786]

Mr. Openminded and Mr. 50 sense...
Sitting behind a screen and typing crap about a scholar of Islam and comparative religion is easy.... But if you were actually seeking the truth you would have attended the event which was free of cost and it was on held on holidays for the convinience of all and you could have asked questions and addressed him directly for misquoting and you could have quoted the right verses and corrected him..
failing to do so and typing crap here shows your level of IQ and how smart a person you are......

One thing you should remember... NOBODY FORCES YOU TO ACCEPT THE TRUTH, BUT YOU CANT STOP THE TRUTH FROM SPREADING......

[polcat]

zakir naik is not exactly a 'scholar'. i heard and then watched at least one 'incident' where he was not only disowned, but severely rebuked & reprimanded by other 'scholars' from his own country! and the way he at times makes a mockery of other religions is not exactly the point of a debate. a Dr.? of medicine?

[siah786]

zakir naik is not exactly a 'scholar'. i heard and then watched at least one 'incident' where he was not only disowned, but severely rebuked & reprimanded by other 'scholars' from his own country! and the way he at times makes a mockery of other religions is not exactly the point of a debate. a Dr.? of medicine?

Just because other scholars do not agree with what Dr. Zakir Naik says, does not mean he is not a scholar... Rather i would consider him a much better scholar then many others out there...
If you attended his lecture .. he never ever makes his own statements in islam .. he always quotes QURAN and SUNNAH....many scholars out there be it in islam or any other religion fail to quote their religious books and just make statements which would favour them and that is wrong....
He never makes mockery of any religion... He just quotes what's written in their religious scriptures.... he just makes people aware of their religious books... which is really important...

Lastly anybody here, who have problem with Dr. Zakir Naik had an opportunity last night and thursday night to ask him questions..and address your comments to him directly in public... Now if you failed to the same its your problem...
Do not act like a chicken and post stupid comments here against Dr. Zakir Naik, please...

[polcat]

I don't know how your system of belief works, i do not need to doubt your intelligence or 'intellect', openmind has already described zakir naik's fans in his post earlier.
let me give you a little lesson in the history of your religion, siah. do you know who 'yazid' was? if you do, then you would know how he murdered your prophet's grandson and his family. and your doctor zakir naik here, showers praise for yazid saying 'may god be pleased with him' in one of his lectures. I'm surprised how you guys still continue praising him! Nice! It says a lot about your love for your prophet, and his followers!

you can find that clip on youtube yourself, or if you are feeling too scared & insecure in your love for your doctor, continue to ignore it and keep cheering him on!

[Yahya Bhai]

Out of curiousity - Is this event free ?

I can't imagine that Zakir Naik would have done 1,200 public talks in 25 countries for free. What is his motive ?

I just can't help but think there is an ulterior motive same as the Bible Bashers in the US who Talk the Talk and end up becoming Millionaires - Like Openmind suggested - it's a feeding frenzy for the least educated.


no it is not for money... :smile2:

[siah786]

I don't know how your system of belief works, i do not need to doubt your intelligence or 'intellect', openmind has already described zakir naik's fans in his post earlier.
let me give you a little lesson in the history of your religion, siah. do you know who 'yazid' was? if you do, then you would know how he murdered your prophet's grandson and his family. and your doctor zakir naik here, showers praise for yazid saying 'may god be pleased with him' in one of his lectures. I'm surprised how you guys still continue praising him! Nice! It says a lot about your love for your prophet, and his followers!

you can find that clip on youtube yourself, or if you are feeling too scared & insecure in your love for your doctor, continue to ignore it and keep cheering him on!

Dear Polcat....
You dont know how the system of islam works... Being a muslim you are expected to follow Quran (which is the ONLY religious scripture, which has not been altered since it had been revealed) and Sunnah( teachings of the prophet which are described in the books of hadeeths)... its that simple...
Yazid R.A. was a "tabaeen" and the war he had was based on a political reason.saying RA or RH (rahimhullah) after the name of the sahabaah and the muslim generations closer to the prophet is a highly recomended act.. and for your kind information he says RA after the names of the prophets grandsons also and all other sahabaas...
secondly, Dr. Zakir Naik is not calling people to follow Yazid, nor is he calling people to follow him, he is calling people to follow the TRUE word of GOD and his messenger...so just bcoz he says RA after the name of Yazid doesnt mean that we close our ears to the more authentic points he talks about from the religious books...
Thirdly, R.A means "May ALLAH swt be pleased with him".. so its just a prayer and as The Almighty ALLAH knows clearly that what were the intentions of Yazid RA, and its upto him to judge regarding Yazid.. Dr. Zakir dint PRAISE Yazid ...dude.....
Fourthly, as I said earlier all these accusations you had, you could have visited the event and asked him these questions on his face in public ... and he would have answered you..
now, just typing down irrelevant and contraversial topics wont help you and nor will it dishonour Dr. Zakir Naki... MAY ALLAH BE PLEASED WITH AND BLESS HIM WITH MORE KNOWLEDGE... inshallah

[polcat]

Siah, my remark was how 'your' belief system works, not how the "system of islam" works.
and that clearly shows how zakir naik gathers his fans :) he reads you your own books and you clap for him. I don't need to ask zakir anything, it is enough to see how he wants the god to be pleased with the man who murdered his own prophet's grandson (and his family members)! Is this irrelevant & controversial? tell me how. And this was not an accusation, i asked you to search for that clip, and watch what he says! my 'accusation' shall be proven! my question to you was if you follow & admire that kind of a person, to which you have very clearly replied that you do :)

'tabaeen' is a new word for me, please tell me what that means. 'sahabaah': isn't that term used for those who were 'companions' of the prophet, or who had met him or seen him while being muslims and died muslims? yazid was alive from 645-683 and the Prophet was 570-632! Tell me how was yazid closer to the prophet? I ran a quick search for 'sahabaah', and yazid's name did not show up on that list! maybe you should have that list revised in the next publication to include his name.

First u said [...Yazid R.A. was a "tabaeen"...] and later u say that 'R.A' is used for 'sahabaah'! i don't get it. is yazid 'tabaeen' or 'sahabaah' according to your understanding and belief?

Regarding yazid, read some history 'dude'! he was behind the destruction of Medina, the mosque of your prophet, & Kaaba. And zakir did not say R.A for yazid (the arabic version), he said "may Allah be pleased with him". Write down exactly what R.A means, in arabic, if i am mistaken here. there is a difference between 'to have mercy' and 'to be pleased' ! if that is not praise, i don't know what is! you praise someone when you are pleased with someone due to his/her act. i'm sure you are aware of the terms: kaafir, munafiq, fasiq, fajir, mu'min, muslim; and the differences in their meaning too. the only term used widely for yazid was 'fasiq-o-fajir', wayyy before you were born. Mu'awiya bin Yazid (yazid's own son) denounced what his grandfather (mu'awiya) did, just as he denounced what his father (yazid) had done. yazid's son was named mu'awiya bin yazid btw, in case you get confused here.

i could go on citing you references from your own history books to look up the character of yazid. did you know that yazid used to sleep with his mother, sister, and daughters? and not 'sleep' sleep as in to keep warm or cuz he was afraid of the monsters under his bed.. u know what i mean :) now i can't go back in time cuz my time-machine is broken, so i cannot exactly catch him in the act, but it says so in your history books, written by your sunni scholars. that, you might call an 'accusation' since we do not have any hard evidence to prove his act.

anyways, you may continue enjoying your sessions of 'enlightenment' with your doctor!

[siah786]

Siah, my remark was how 'your' belief system works, not how the "system of islam" works.
and that clearly shows how zakir naik gathers his fans :) he reads you your own books and you clap for him. I don't need to ask zakir anything, it is enough to see how he wants the god to be pleased with the man who murdered his own prophet's grandson (and his family members)! Is this irrelevant & controversial? tell me how. And this was not an accusation, i asked you to search for that clip, and watch what he says! my 'accusation' shall be proven! my question to you was if you follow & admire that kind of a person, to which you have very clearly replied that you do :)

'tabaeen' is a new word for me, please tell me what that means. 'sahabaah': isn't that term used for those who were 'companions' of the prophet, or who had met him or seen him while being muslims and died muslims? yazid was alive from 645-683 and the Prophet was 570-632! Tell me how was yazid closer to the prophet? I ran a quick search for 'sahabaah', and yazid's name did not show up on that list! maybe you should have that list revised in the next publication to include his name.

First u said [...Yazid R.A. was a "tabaeen"...] and later u say that 'R.A' is used for 'sahabaah'! i don't get it. is yazid 'tabaeen' or 'sahabaah' according to your understanding and belief?

Regarding yazid, read some history 'dude'! he was behind the destruction of Medina, the mosque of your prophet, & Kaaba. And zakir did not say R.A for yazid (the arabic version), he said "may Allah be pleased with him". Write down exactly what R.A means, in arabic, if i am mistaken here. there is a difference between 'to have mercy' and 'to be pleased' ! if that is not praise, i don't know what is! you praise someone when you are pleased with someone due to his/her act. i'm sure you are aware of the terms: kaafir, munafiq, fasiq, fajir, mu'min, muslim; and the differences in their meaning too. the only term used widely for yazid was 'fasiq-o-fajir', wayyy before you were born. Mu'awiya bin Yazid (yazid's own son) denounced what his grandfather (mu'awiya) did, just as he denounced what his father (yazid) had done. yazid's son was named mu'awiya bin yazid btw, in case you get confused here.

i could go on citing you references from your own history books to look up the character of yazid. did you know that yazid used to sleep with his mother, sister, and daughters? and not 'sleep' sleep as in to keep warm or cuz he was afraid of the monsters under his bed.. u know what i mean :) now i can't go back in time cuz my time-machine is broken, so i cannot exactly catch him in the act, but it says so in your history books, written by your sunni scholars. that, you might call an 'accusation' since we do not have any hard evidence to prove his act.

anyways, you may continue enjoying your sessions of 'enlightenment' with your doctor!

Raziallahu anhu - May ALLAH be pleased with him...
Rahimullah - May Allah have mercy on him...

Now.. firstly Dr. Zakir Naik is trying his best to spread the word of islam.. and talking about Yazid ra and praising him is not Dr. Zakir Naik's prime objective...
If tomorrow your father and mother have a fight and your father says something to your mother which you think is wrong, then would you completely abonden yourself from listening to your father, just for (just for tht one thing he said to your mom)?????
Now what ever you have written about Yazid r.a. which i completely disagree and the following link will help you knw why....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSLNBY1-mp8

now you have done an extensive research about Yazeed ra...and the contradicting issues about him... let me tell you mate.. YAZEED R.A. is not islam.. he is a part of islam... Am sure if you were seeking truth, you must have done extensive research about islam, which is much much more important than the topic of Yazid R.A.. Hence am going to ask you three basic questions of islam and you should be able to answer them... else if you just want to attack islam and Dr. Zakir naik then, ALLAHYAHDEEK...

1) what is the basic belief of islam???
2) what is the biggest sin you can commit in islam??
3) what do we have to follow being a muslim?? name atleast 6 books of hadeeth ?
i would expect you to answer them promptly without googling them...
thank you

[Yahya Bhai]

Siah, my remark was how 'your' belief system works, not how the "system of islam" works.
and that clearly shows how zakir naik gathers his fans :) he reads you your own books and you clap for him. I don't need to ask zakir anything, it is enough to see how he wants the god to be pleased with the man who murdered his own prophet's grandson (and his family members)! Is this irrelevant & controversial? tell me how. And this was not an accusation, i asked you to search for that clip, and watch what he says! my 'accusation' shall be proven! my question to you was if you follow & admire that kind of a person, to which you have very clearly replied that you do :)

'tabaeen' is a new word for me, please tell me what that means. 'sahabaah': isn't that term used for those who were 'companions' of the prophet, or who had met him or seen him while being muslims and died muslims? yazid was alive from 645-683 and the Prophet was 570-632! Tell me how was yazid closer to the prophet? I ran a quick search for 'sahabaah', and yazid's name did not show up on that list! maybe you should have that list revised in the next publication to include his name.

First u said [...Yazid R.A. was a "tabaeen"...] and later u say that 'R.A' is used for 'sahabaah'! i don't get it. is yazid 'tabaeen' or 'sahabaah' according to your understanding and belief?

Regarding yazid, read some history 'dude'! he was behind the destruction of Medina, the mosque of your prophet, & Kaaba. And zakir did not say R.A for yazid (the arabic version), he said "may Allah be pleased with him". Write down exactly what R.A means, in arabic, if i am mistaken here. there is a difference between 'to have mercy' and 'to be pleased' ! if that is not praise, i don't know what is! you praise someone when you are pleased with someone due to his/her act. i'm sure you are aware of the terms: kaafir, munafiq, fasiq, fajir, mu'min, muslim; and the differences in their meaning too. the only term used widely for yazid was 'fasiq-o-fajir', wayyy before you were born. Mu'awiya bin Yazid (yazid's own son) denounced what his grandfather (mu'awiya) did, just as he denounced what his father (yazid) had done. yazid's son was named mu'awiya bin yazid btw, in case you get confused here.

i could go on citing you references from your own history books to look up the character of yazid. did you know that yazid used to sleep with his mother, sister, and daughters? and not 'sleep' sleep as in to keep warm or cuz he was afraid of the monsters under his bed.. u know what i mean :) now i can't go back in time cuz my time-machine is broken, so i cannot exactly catch him in the act, but it says so in your history books, written by your sunni scholars. that, you might call an 'accusation' since we do not have any hard evidence to prove his act.

anyways, you may continue enjoying your sessions of 'enlightenment' with your doctor!

radiallahu anhu is mostly used for the sahaba.

'tabieen' means the person who has seen a sahabi (the generation after the sahabis)
"taba tabi een" means the person who has seen a "tabiee"

i havent given the complete definition .......just wanted to inform you..who is a tabiee.

by the way polcat,are u a muslim?

[polcat]

siah:

1. do you consider hussain your prophet's grandson?
2. do you acknowledge that yazid was responsible for hussain's (along with his family) murder?
3. did your prophet not ask you to love him more than you love your family (or anything else) before you can be considered a 'momin'?
4. do you consider your prophet to be infallible?
5. if you think that incident involving hussain & yazid was a 'war', how many soldiers did hussain had in his 'army'? and how many troops was yazid commanding?
6. since you seem to be a 'learned' muslim, on that 'war' day, would you rather have been in hussain's 'army' or yazid's?
7. do you regard the prophet's family with more reverance or the sahaba and the tabaeen?

in your own basic belief, if you consider Allah to be the only god worthy of your prayers, then his last prophet Mohammed is the one who made you turn to that god! your prophet asked you not to commit 'shirk', or indulge in adultery, or consume alcohol, or the whole list of things that yazid did his entire life. No? i would go a step further than to just name you your 6 (most popular) books of hadeeth, i'd rather quote from there once i get the time.

siah, ask around your other muslim friends about yazid, they might know much more than i do.

[siah786]

siah:

1. do you consider hussain your prophet's grandson?
2. do you acknowledge that yazid was responsible for hussain's (along with his family) murder?
3. did your prophet not ask you to love him more than you love your family (or anything else) before you can be considered a 'momin'?
4. do you consider your prophet to be infallible?
5. if you think that incident involving hussain & yazid was a 'war', how many soldiers did hussain had in his 'army'? and how many troops was yazid commanding?
6. since you seem to be a 'learned' muslim, on that 'war' day, would you rather have been in hussain's 'army' or yazid's?
7. do you regard the prophet's family with more reverance or the sahaba and the tabaeen?

in your own basic belief, if you consider Allah to be the only god worthy of your prayers, then his last prophet Mohammed is the one who made you turn to that god! your prophet asked you not to commit 'shirk', or indulge in adultery, or consume alcohol, or the whole list of things that yazid did his entire life. No? i would go a step further than to just name you your 6 (most popular) books of hadeeth, i'd rather quote from there once i get the time.

siah, ask around your other muslim friends about yazid, they might know much more than i do.

How smarttt... you counter question instead of answering my questions...now that you couldnt answer my questions, your intentions are clear enough... all you want to do is just attack islam..... best of luck mate....
remember in QURAN there is a verse clear enough (meaning of the verse)

And they (disbelievers) plotted , and Allâh planned too. And Allâh is the Best of the planners. (Aali Imran 3:54)..

[polcat]

Oh my dear friend Siah, may your god be pleased with you! instead of you answering even a single one of my questions, you tell me that i just want to attack your islam!!?? You were probably just too blinded by your love & respect for zakir naik & yazid that you did not find response to your 3 google-able questions in my reply. still, i'll give you those answers again:
1. the oneness of god, Allah, and Mohammed as the last prophet (roughly like that)
2. shirk, holding another one in similarity of properties, or character, or likeness with Allah. (roughly)
3. and you can google for more than 20 books of hadeeth.

here, now i'll quote first from 1 of your 6 favorite books of hadeeth that show your prophet to be fallible, and then quote from your Quran to show what you actually DO need to believe, if you do believe, that is!

You decided not to answer (Q4) implying (maybe) that you believe in [Sahih al-Bukhari, Arabic version, v1, p37,44,171], [Sahih al-Bukhari, Arabic version, v3, p228], & [Sahih al-Bukhari, Arabic version, v7, p29; and v4, p68] --- citing incidents where your prophet fell asleep and forgot the prayer time, and even forgot to perform 'wudu'. another incident is where he was sitting with aisha and watched a dance/music performance. and one more incident where he was affected by a magical spell that caused severe episodes of hallucination on his part. You can go back and check Sahih al-Bukhari for these citings. Don't blame me for the contents, i did not write those books!

Your Quran says (47:33) : "O you who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger and do not burn your deeds (by disobeying him)." And again (4:80) "Whoever obeys the Messenger, he indeed obeys Allah." And (76:24) "....and obey not from among them a sinner or an ungrateful one." And (53:1-5) "By the Star when it sets; Your companion (i.e., Prophet) does not err/wander, nor is he deceived. Nor does he speak out of his desire; It is no less than a revelation that is revealed. The Mighty in Power has taught him."

Tell me siah, what do you believe in? what the tens of hadeeth books tell you or what the Quran tells you?! Have you been commanded to use the books of hadeeth as a primary source of quidance/knowledge or the Quran? Is your prophet infallible or not?

Be the smarter one next time, read those verses and incidents and think before you makeup your mind!

And don't forget to answer those 7 short ones, most are yes/no, or require a short reply.

[siah786]

well am happy tht you answered my three questions.. though you have not answered them perfectly...maybe you googled them.. no wonder.. but am happy you tried to find out the basics of islam .. probably jst to answer me .. but nontheless your answers are close enough...
my duty as a muslim is to spread the msg of islam and i guess i jst did my job...alhamdulillah..

lets deal with your 7 questions ... you have mentioned abt ur q4 in the previous quote.. your intention was simply to tell me that the quran and hadeeth contradicts itslef right????? Well brother if you or the source of your knowledge fail to understand the science of hadeeths and the meaning of the verses of quran am sorry its not my baddd....
your question is regarding fallibilty of Prophet Muhammed saw , i shall answer you in reference to all the prophets....read the following....
Praise be to Allaah.
The Prophets are the best of mankind, and the most noble of creation before Allaah. Allaah chose them to convey the call of Laa ilaaha ill-Allaah to mankind, and Allaah has made them the intermediaries between Him and His creation in conveying His Laws. They were commanded to convey the message from Allaah, as He says (interpretation of the meaning):
“They are those whom We gave the Book, Al‑Hukm (understanding of the religious laws), and Prophethood. But if these disbelieve therein (the Book, Al‑Hukm and Prophethood), then, indeed We have entrusted it to a people (such as the Companions of Prophet Muhammad) who are not disbelievers therein”
[al-An’aam 6:89]
The Prophets’ task was to convey the message from Allaah even though they were human, hence the issue of infallibility may be examined from two angles:
1 – Infallibility in conveying the message
2 – Infallibility from human error
Firstly: With regard to the first issue, the Prophets were infallible in conveying the message from Allaah. They did not conceal anything that Allaah had revealed to them, and they did not add anything from themselves. Allaah said to His Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) (interpretation of the meaning):
“O Messenger (Muhammad)! Proclaim (the Message) which has been sent down to you from your Lord. And if you do not, then you have not conveyed His Message. Allaah will protect you from mankind”
[al-Maa'idah 5:67]
“And if he (Muhammad) had forged a false saying concerning Us (Allaah),
We surely would have seized him by his right hand (or with power and might),
And then We certainly would have cut off his life artery (aorta),
And none of you could have withheld Us from (punishing) him”
[al-Haaqqah 69:44-47]
And Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And he (Muhammad) withholds not a knowledge of the Unseen”
[al-Takweer 81:24]
Shaykh ‘Abd al-Rahmaan ibn Sa’di (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in his commentary on this verse: He is not stingy with that which Allaah has revealed to him, concealing some of it. Rather he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) the most trustworthy of the inhabitants of heaven and the people of earth, the one who conveys the message of his Lord, the faithful conveyor (of the message). He does not withhold any part of it, from rich or poor, from ruler or subject, from male or female, from city-dweller or Bedouin. Hence Allaah sent him to an illiterate and ignorant nation, and he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not die until they had become knowledgeable scholars, steeped in knowledge…
End quote.
So with regard to conveying the religion of his Lord, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not make any mistakes at all, whether major or minor, rather he was infallible and under the constant protection of Allaah.
Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in Fataawa Ibn Baaz, 6/371:
All the Muslims are unanimously agreed that the Prophets (peace be upon them) – especially Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) – are infallible and protected from error in that which they conveyed from Allaah. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“By the star when it goes down (or vanishes).
Your companion (Muhammad) has neither gone astray nor has erred.
Nor does he speak of (his own) desire.
It is only a Revelation revealed.
He has been taught (this Qur’aan) by one mighty in power [Jibreel (Gabriel)]”
[al-Najm 53:1-5]
Our Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is infallible in all that he conveyed from Allaah, in word and deed and in what he approved of. There is no dispute on this point among the scholars.
End quote.
The ummah is agreed that the Messengers are infallible in their conveying the message. They did not forget anything that Allaah revealed to them, except for things that were abrogated. And Allaah guaranteed His Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) that he would remember it and would not forget it, except for that which Allaah wanted him to forget, and He guaranteed to remember the whole Qur’aan in his heart. Allaah said (interpretation of the meaning):
“We shall make you to recite (the Qur’aan), so you (O Muhammad) shall not forget (it)”
[al-A’la 87:7]
“It is for Us to collect it and to give you (O Muhammad) the ability to recite it (the Qur’aan).
And when We have recited it to you [O Muhammad through Jibreel (Gabriel)], then follow its (the Qur’aan’s) recitation”
[al-Qiyaamah 75:17-18]
Shaykh al-Islam [Ibn Taymiyah] said in Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 18/7]:
The verses which point to the Prophethood of the Prophets indicate that they are infallible with regard to the message that they convey from Allaah, so what they convey from their Lord can only be true. This is the meaning of Prophethood and this implies [?] that Allaah tells [the Prophet] of the unseen and he tells the people of the unseen. So the Messenger is commanded to call people and to convey the message to them.
End quote.
Secondly: With regard to the Prophets as people, they may make mistakes. This may be discussed as follows:
1 –They do not commit major sins
With regard to major sins, the Prophets do not commit major sins at all, and they are protected from such major sins both before their missions began or afterwards.
Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 4/319:
The view that the Prophets are infallible and protected against committing major sins, as opposed to minor sins, is the view of the majority of Muslim scholars and of all groups. It is also the view of the scholars of tafseer and hadeeth and fuqaha’. Indeed, nothing has been narrated from any of the salaf, imams, Sahaabah, Taabi’een and those who followed them except that which is in accordance with this view.
End quote.
2 – Matters that have nothing to do with conveying the message and the revelation.
With regard to minor sins, these may be committed by them, or by some of them. Hence the majority of scholars are of the view that they are not infallible when it comes to minor sins. But if they committed such actions they were not left to persist therein, rather Allaah pointed that out to them and they hastened to repent therefrom.
The evidence that they might commit minor sins and that they were not left to persist therein is the verses in which Allaah says of Adam (interpretation of the meaning):
“Thus did Adam disobey his Lord, so he went astray.
Then his Lord chose him, and turned to him with forgiveness, and gave him guidance”
[Ta-Ha 20:121-122]
This indicates that Adam committed sin, but he was not left to persist therein, and he repented to Allaah from that.
And Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“He said: ‘This is of Shaytaan’s (Satan’s) doing, verily, he is a plain misleading enemy.’
He said: ‘My Lord! Verily, I have wronged myself, so forgive me.’ Then He forgave him. Verily, He is the Oft‑Forgiving, the Most Merciful”
[al-Qasas 28:15-16]
So Moosa (peace be upon him) confessed his sin and sought forgiveness from Allaah after he killed the Egyptian, and Allaah forgave him his sin.
And Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“and he [Dawood] sought forgiveness of his Lord, and he fell down prostrate and turned (to Allaah) in repentance.
So We forgave him that, and verily, for him is a near access to Us, and a good place of (final) return (Paradise)”
[Saad 38:23-24]
Dawood’s sin was hastening to pass judgement before hearing the case of the second disputant.
And our Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was rebuked by his Lord for several things that are mentioned in the Qur’aan, such as the following (interpretation of the meaning):
“O Prophet! Why do you forbid (for yourself) that which Allaah has allowed to you, seeking to please your wives? And Allaah is Oft‑Forgiving, Most Merciful”
[al-Tahreem 66:1]
This refers to the well-known story with some of his wives.
Allaah also rebuked His Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) concerning the prisoners of war at Badr:
Muslim narrated in his Saheeh (4588) that Ibn ‘Abbaas said: When the prisoners were taken captive, the Messenger of Allaah (S) (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to Abu Bakr and ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with them): “What do you think about these prisoners?” Abu Bakr said: “O Prophet of Allaah, they are our cousins and kinsmen. I think that we should accept a ransom from them which will give us some support against the kuffaar, and perhaps Allaah will guide them to Islam.” The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “What do you think, O Ibn al-Khattaab?” He said: “I say, no, by Allaah, O Messenger of Allaah. I do not agree with Abu Bakr. I think that you should hand them over to us so that we may strike their necks (execute them). Hand over ‘Aqeel to ‘Ali so that he may strike his neck, and hand over So and so – a relative of ‘Umar – to me, for these are the leaders and veterans of kufr.” The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) liked what Abu Bakr said and he did not like what I [‘Umar] said. The next day I came and found the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and Abu Bakr weeping. I said: “O Messenger of Allaah, tell me, what has made you and your companion weep? If there is a reason to weep, I will weep with you, and there is no reason, I will pretend to weep in sympathy with you because you are weeping.” The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I am weeping because I was shown the torture to which they were subjected. It was brought as close to me as this tree” – a tree which was near the Prophet of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) – then Allaah revealed the words (interpretation of the meaning):
“It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war (and free them with ransom) until he had made a great slaughter (among his enemies) in the land. You desire the good of this world (i.e. the money of ransom for freeing the captives), but Allaah desires (for you) the Hereafter. And Allaah is All-Mighty, All-Wise.
Were it not a previous ordainment from Allaah, a severe torment would have touched you for what you took.
So enjoy what you have gotten of booty in war, lawful and good”
[al-Anfaal 8:67-69]
So Allaah permitted booty to them.
From this hadeeth it is clear that when the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) chose to ransom the prisoners, this was a decision that he made by ijtihaad after consulting his companions, and he had no revelation from Allaah concerning that.
The words of Allaah (interpretation of the meaning):
“(The Prophet) frowned and turned away.
Because there came to him the blind man (i.e. ‘Abdullaah bin Umm Maktoom, who came to the Prophet while he was preaching to one or some of the Quraysh chiefs)”
[‘Abasa 80:1-2]
This is the famous story of the great companion ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Umm Maktoom and the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), when Allaah rebuked him.
Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said in Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 4/320:
What has been narrated from the majority of scholars is that they (the Prophets) are not infallible with regard to minor sins, but they are not left to persist therein. They do not say that this does not happen under any circumstances. The first group from whom it was narrated that they are infallible in all cases, and who say that the most, are the Raafidis (Shi’ah), who say that they are infallible and protected even against forgetfulness and misunderstanding.
End quote.
Some people think this is too much to suggest that Prophets may commit sin, and misinterpret some of the texts of the Qur’aan and Sunnah which indicate that. Two specious arguments lead them to do that:
(i) – The fact that Allaah has commanded us to follow the Messengers and take them as our example. The command to follow them is taken as meaning that everything they did is an example for us to follow, and that every action and belief of theirs is an act of worship. If we suggest that that the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) committed a sin, there will be a dilemma, because that implies that we are commanded to imitate this sin which was committed by the Prophet because we are commanded to follow his example, but at the same time we should no agree with it or do it, because it is a sin.
This argument is valid and is appropriate if the sin is hidden and not obvious in such a way that it could be confused with acts of obedience. But Allaah has explained to His Messengers where they went wrong and enabled them to repent without delay.
(ii) – Sins contradict perfection and are a shortcoming. This is true if they are not accompanied by repentance, for repentance brings forgiveness of sin, and does not contradict perfection or bring blame upon a person. Rather in many cases a person may be better after repenting than he was before he fell into sin. It is well known that no Prophet committed sin but he hastened to repent and seek forgiveness. The Prophets did not persist in sin or delay repentance, for Allaah protected them from that, and after repenting they became more perfect than they were before.
3 – Unintentional mistakes with regard to some worldly matters
With regard to mistakes in some worldly matters, it is permissible for them to make such mistakes although their reason is sound and their insight is strong. This happened to several of the Prophets including our Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). This happened with regard to various spheres of life such as medicine, agriculture, etc.
Muslim narrated in his Saheeh (6127) that Raafi’ ibn Khadeej said: The Prophet of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) came to Madeenah and found them pollinating the palm trees. He said: “What are you doing?” They said: “We always do this.” He said: “Perhaps if you do not do it, that will be better.” So they did not do it, and the harvest failed. They told him about that and he said: “I am only human. If I tell you to do something with regard to your religion, then do it, but if I tell you to do something based on my own opinion, then I am only human.” Hence it is known that the Prophets are infallible and protected from error with regard to the Revelation, so we should beware of those who cast aspersions upon the Messenger’s conveying of the Message and his laws, and say that it is his own personal opinion. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) could never do such a thing. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Nor does he speak of (his own) desire.
It is only a Revelation revealed”
[al-Najm 53:3-4]
The Standing Committee was asked: Do the Prophets and Messengers make mistakes?
They replied:
Yes, they make mistakes but Allaah does not let them persist in their mistakes, rather he points out their mistakes to them as a mercy to them and their nations, and He forgives them for their mistakes, and accepts their repentance by His Grace and Mercy, for Allaah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful, as will be clear to anyone who studies the verses of the Qur’aan which speak of that.
AND ALLAH KNOWS BEST.....

I hope i cleared tht doubt .. i shall answer your other questions too.. but first could you please tell me what is your belief of GOD??? what is GOD for you?? What religion do you practice???
I am asking the above questions because, i've got unanswered questions of other faiths too and now tht you are working hard to contradict islam ,then definitely you must have studied your belief to a great extent and you can clear my doubts...thank you

[polcat]

instead of copy/pasting all that, you could have simply written:
I, Siah, believe that my holy Prophet, the last of the Prophets of Allah, is fallible, and is prone to mistakes, errors, ommissions, etc. And my god chose to send us a prophet who was prone to committing mistakes just as us humans do. And that I, Siah, am happy with this way of guidance. Of course except the message of Allah that in which he did not make any mistakes, and I know that for sure since in my abundant intellect & knowledge, i can judge which message comes from Allah, and which message comes from the Prophet's own self.

short, and sweet!

another thing, if i had 'googled' your 3 questions, i'd have given you answers verbatim, and not roughly. Can you give me the list of ALL the books of hadeeth? without googling? Nevermind, i'm not really interested in finding out the names of those books, since so many of them contain hundreds of contradicting hadeeth amongst themselves; not only that, a very large majority of hadeeth are quoted by none other than Amr ibn al-aas.

I did not 'try to find out the basics of islam', i was only replying to your childish questions since you were oh-so-eager to see if i could respond or not. And you still failed to reply ANY of my 7 questions.

Instead of copy & pasting, for once, just write what YOU believe in! do you understand my question? If your prophet was fallible, that means he was committing sins & making mistakes, now & then. And yet, preaching the word of god and telling you NOT to commit sins. Wouldn't you find that repulsive?

Let's suppose, he was simply conveying the message of Allah to you (and was all human in other respects), that was later noted down in Quran. Now, isn't that what zakir naik is also doing? reading from the Quran to you? why would'nt you consider both as messengers of Allah, since they both conveyed/are conveying the same message? In fact, you should probably be more in love with zakir since you have the honor of meeting him in person, and listening to his holy voice. You can probably relate more with him, than to your holy Prophet. No? you should consider yourself another special type of 'sahabi'. And may Allah be pleased with you too.

Don't lose focus here, answer my 7 questions above first, then think about the rest.

[siah786]

Dude Polcat .. am sorry your having trouble understanding....
Go up and read again... one verse of the quran is enough to answer you mate...

“And if he (Muhammad) had forged a false saying concerning Us (Allaah),
We surely would have seized him by his right hand (or with power and might),
And then We certainly would have cut off his life artery (aorta),
And none of you could have withheld Us from (punishing) him”
[al-Haaqqah 69:44-47]

And further it is said :

And Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And he (Muhammad) withholds not a knowledge of the Unseen”
[al-Takweer 81:24]

So what do we understand from this verse?? clear enough that the message he was suppose delivered....
Now concerning him making errorneous decisions regarding islam, when he made such a decision ALLAH swt revealed it to him and he rectified it immediately...read this ayath...

“O Prophet! Why do you forbid (for yourself) that which Allaah has allowed to you, seeking to please your wives? And Allaah is Oft‑Forgiving, Most Merciful”
[al-Tahreem 66:1]

Now, concerning the prophet making human errors.. again in the quran its clearly mentioned that the Prophet is a human just like us, but he is the best of mankind...If the prophet was perfect and flawless and perfect by himself in every aspect of life then he would be GOD..wouldnt he ?? as its clear enough in islam that only ALLAH swt is perfect and flawless.. So the concept of the prophet being perfect withinhimself goes against the basis of islam that is tauhid... and alhamdulillah Islam is perfect religion and does not have any contradictions...


"another thing, if i had 'googled' your 3 questions, i'd have given you answers verbatim, and not roughly. Can you give me the list of ALL the books of hadeeth? without googling? Nevermind, i'm not really interested in finding out the names of those books, since so many of them contain hundreds of contradicting hadeeth amongst themselves; not only that, a very large majority of hadeeth are quoted by none other than Amr ibn al-aas."

First of all i asked you to name 6 books of hadeeth.. and alhamdulillah i know the names of the 6 most referred books of hadeeth...and when you talk about the contradicting hadeeths in the books , it clearly shows that you do not understand the science of hadeeths at all....

"Let's suppose, he was simply conveying the message of Allah to you (and was all human in other respects), that was later noted down in Quran. Now, isn't that what zakir naik is also doing? reading from the Quran to you? why would'nt you consider both as messengers of Allah, since they both conveyed/are conveying the same message? In fact, you should probably be more in love with zakir since you have the honor of meeting him in person, and listening to his holy voice. You can probably relate more with him, than to your holy Prophet. No? you should consider yourself another special type of 'sahabi'. And may Allah be pleased with you too."

You really make me laugh man... I thought you knew what is difference between a messenger and a scholar....If not please find out am not going to tell you, sorry.. my youngest cousine of the age of about 12 yrs can answer this man..am sure you can find it out...

Well regarding your 7 questions, firstly please answer my question in my previous post...let me repeat it..
"i shall answer your other questions too.. but first could you please tell me what is your belief of GOD??? what is GOD for you?? What religion do you practice???
I am asking the above questions because, i've got unanswered questions of other faiths too and now tht you are working hard to contradict islam ,then definitely you must have studied your belief to a great extent and you can clear my doubts...thank you<!-- / message --><!-- edit note -->"

[polcat]

i am getting bored of repeating my questions to you. instead of answering my simple questions, you quote and quote and quote endlessly, without using your own head! bring your 12yr old cousin, maybe i'll have a better discussion with him.

i can see now that you are incapable of responding coherently to any of my questions. If you think i do not know the meaning/difference between a 'messenger' and a 'scholar', why don't you enlighten me?! and tell me clearly how is your prophet only a messenger? and zakir is just a scholar? isn't a 'learned scholar' better than a mere 'messenger' then? since Mohammed was just a messenger! this is quite appalling, the way you belittle your own Prophet!

I am really NOT interested in what you have to quote and where you quote that from. I wanted to know what YOU believed in. I can quote more instances from any and all of your books and prove to you which hadeeth are just rubbish and made-up only to legitimize the interests of certain clans (umayyads, quraysh, and scores of others) in those years. How? because you only need to see the character of the person narrating that particular hadeeth. Even in the explanation of the verses that you have quoted above, you need references from the time & place and the audience when the verse was 'revealed', and for that background you go back to your books of hadeeth, and there u find conflicting ones again. You are happy & content to have memorized so diligently the names of the 6 books of hadeeth, without figuring out the actual contents, or the legitimicy/authenticity of them. You can go on and on ranting about the 'science of hadeeth', without actually saying much what you know about it yourself!

and now, don't bother replying to those 7 questions, as i can see you will not be able to get your head around them.

[siah786]

Whatever polcat....
if you want to know what i believe in its islam.. Quran and Sunnah only... I quote, cause i want to prove it to you that what am speaking is from the book i follow ie Quran...

Regarding the 7 question, i've already answered your 4th question..and i clearly said the following in my previous posts which you've just been ignoring...let my repeat it at larger font size for you..incase it keeps skipping your eyes...

"Well regarding your 7 questions, firstly please answer my question in my previous post...let me repeat it..
"i shall answer your other questions too.. but first could you please tell me what is your belief of GOD??? what is GOD for you?? What religion do you practice???
I am asking the above questions because, i've got unanswered questions of other faiths too and now tht you are working hard to contradict islam ,then definitely you must have studied your belief to a great extent and you can clear my doubts...thank you<!-- / message --><!-- edit note -->"
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[polcat]

*yawn*

Can you not understand that i am NOT contradicting islam? your broken references and copy/pasting does not cover the entire islamic ideology. Can you not comprehend that i am asking for YOUR belief and understanding on those questions?! what you keep quoting and copy/pasting, i can do the same in much more detail but that will not help. i can get better and more intelligible/logical explanations and references from other members of the forum or off the net. You quote half-heartedly from the book. You take a verse, translate that, and then give the explanation from another man who himself once was in need of guidance!

i have already let you go, and you are under no obligation anymore to answer any of my questions! My religious belief(s) or the lack of it is not under discussion here, yours were and specifically, the way you see your holy Prophet. and i can already see that, from your replies. i can see how you follow his 'sunnah'. very sad.

[siah786]

Okay lets make this clear....
Mr. Polcat accuses Dr. Zakir Naik, because he says R.A. after Yazeed's(R.A.) name....why? because he says Yazeed RA was the murderer of Hussain R.A who was the grand son of Prophet Mohammed saw.....Wow.. by this i understand Mr. Polcat loves prophet Muhammed saw and loves islam....
When Mr. polcat was informed about the event... He could have attended and questioned Dr. Zakir Naik directly and accused Dr. Zakir Naik in public with the immense so called knowledge he has... BUT he failed to do so...
Then when i quote him with Quranic ayaah and hadeeth which are saheeh..he just ignorantly say that am driving my own understanding of the verses...
When asked about his religious beliefs....he simply says, you are not obliged to answer my questions and my religious belief is not a concern here....
Dude go take a breakkk!!!!!!

"And I shall not worship that which you are worshipping. (Al-Kafirun 109:4)
"Nor will you worship that which I worship. (Al-Kafirun 109:5)
"To you be your religion, and to me my religion (Islâmic Monotheism)." (Al-Kafirun 109:6)

Allah yahdeek...

Good bye

[zubairahmeds1]

Assalamualaikum.... can anyone let me know, where can i get the cds of Dr.Zakir?