Omans' Forgotten People!! [Archive]

AL_NAAMANI

27th February 2003, 05:39 AM

Is the government of Oman aware of the large number of Omanis living in Africa mainly Tanzania,Zanzibar,Zaire,Uganda,Rwanda,Burundi,Keny a and Mozambique.
Majority of these people are second generation Omanis.These people don't have Omani citzenship and they have applied for it for nearly 20 years but still they have not been accepted.The other thing that amazes me is that most of these people have relatives living here in Oman.
We cannot deny our people.They need to be recognised.At least Oman should open embassies in these countries to cater for the needs of these people.Only Zanzibar has an embassy I am aware of.It is quite unfortunate that we are denying our own flesh and blood.

Invincible

27th February 2003, 05:44 AM

I know a woman who is facing this obstacle. She has been in Oman for over 25 years, her parents are both Omanis and her Dad never left Oman, but she has been denied the passport. It's really sad. Her children suffer from the same problem, one is now an American Citizen and the other one has a Canadian citizenship. They could have served our country, the mother and the daughters are well educated. The mother studied in India and has been teaching Omanis English for decades. Allah yisa3edha.

FisaL

27th February 2003, 06:12 AM

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.It is quite unfortunate that we are denying our own flesh and blood.

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Who said that they r our fleshz an bloodz ? no generlizationz herez plz..coz not all the omanie pplz has relativez there.

AL_NAAMANI

27th February 2003, 06:17 AM

Fisal,
When I said flesh and blood I meant Omani people like u and me and not the fact that they are your relatives or not.They are Omani like you and me and they deserve some sort of recognition.
Sorry for the confusion.If you were to look into your family tree you would find at least one or two people that ventured out to the east african coast.

Invincible

27th February 2003, 06:18 AM

Fisal,

Al-Naamani didnt generalize. Please read below.

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Is the government of Oman aware of the large number of Omanis living in Africa mainly Tanzania, Zanzibar, Zaire, Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi, Kenya and Mozambique. Majority of these people are second generation Omanis.[/color]

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FisaL

27th February 2003, 07:16 AM

AL-NAMMANI
Am sure dat i dont have any relativez in Africa, coz i know my family tree very well..an againz dont assumez that evreyonez has a family there...invincible, it waznt clear.
Sankz

AL_NAAMANI

27th February 2003, 07:30 AM

Ok sorry u don't have to get your knickers in a twist.anyways it is not ashaming even if you had any relatives...u seem disgusted to even think that u have any relatives there!!!
I will remember not to assume again!!!

Shula_B

27th February 2003, 07:47 AM

I think the reason behind it that some people not originally Omanies have faked their birth certificates to get the Omani passports, some use family names such as Al-Harthy. It is really so sad to see you own people struggling for years to get their original nationality and the government is giving citizenship for the non-Omani simply for the reason that they have served the country.

FisaL

27th February 2003, 08:32 AM

<hr /></blockquote> u seem disgusted to even think that u have any relatives there!!!

I will remember not to assume again!!!

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Dont put wordz into my mouth <img src="/threads/images/graemlins/anim_headscratch.gif" alt="" />

Tigress

27th February 2003, 08:35 AM

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Is the government of Oman aware of the large number of Omanis living in Africa mainly Tanzania,Zanzibar,Zaire,Uganda,Rwanda,Burundi,Keny a and Mozambique.
Majority of these people are second generation Omanis.

FisaL

27th February 2003, 08:39 AM

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Is the government of Oman aware of the large number of Omanis living in Africa mainly Tanzania,Zanzibar,Zaire,Uganda,Rwanda,Burundi,Keny a and Mozambique.
Majority of these people are second generation Omanis.

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Tigress

27th February 2003, 08:44 AM

well ....
Ya they face this prb ...What 2 do ...!!!!!!!!

Many of them are pure Omani.
government of Oman Should do something ...!
But How ...????????

By the way ....Even us omani ...And live in oman ..They called us zingbareeen ...Thats Damn silly from Omani people as they dont know the history !!

Peace !

Panoramic

27th February 2003, 08:44 AM

AL NAMAANI

as you know any system is open for abuse and as Shula_B pointed out some did abuse it.

Probably some of those ppl failed to show documents that they are omanies.

AL_NAAMANI

27th February 2003, 05:59 PM

ShulaPanoramic,
I agree with you that some people did abuse the system but that is not a good enough reason when there are alot of other genuine Omanis having to suffer for the mistake of others.Instead of the govt issuing passports to foreigners they should issue them to their own people.Its not that most of them want to live here but it is the recognition that is important.As a country Oman cannot deny its past and its people.

Invincible

27th February 2003, 10:24 PM

I fully agree with Al-Namaani. How can children of Omani citizens not have the Omani citizenship? just because they didnt live here doesnt mean their rights should be denied. I dont think the government is a problem, there are envious ppl inside that just brush these applications aside.

RUGOMBO

27th February 2003, 10:25 PM

FisaL,

Al-Naamany did not put words in your mouth, but that is how you sounded! I read your post and understood exactly the same way Al Naamany did.

What are the Omanis who are in Africa to you? If we can categorize all Arabs and Muslims to be brothers and sisters, I am a bit surprised to see you denying the fact that Omanis who are in Africa have nothing to do with you!!!!

R.

Invincible

27th February 2003, 10:32 PM

Fisal,

I will have to agree with Rugombo on this. I dont want to attack you or anything like that, but from your post, it sounds like you want these ppl to be forgotten, you clearly denied them, and if you knew a bit more about your history, your feelings would be different. Unfortunately, it looks like we still have ppl in our community who cant accept differences. I hope you dont get offended by this, but it seems like you did in your first post above.

FisaL

28th February 2003, 12:07 AM

AL_NAAMANI

28th February 2003, 12:14 AM

I dont think the government is a problem, there are envious ppl inside that just brush these applications aside. 

I definately agree with you on this one.But than Invinci if individuals are able to do this than there is something wrong with the system.
What exactly do these people who deny others their nationalities have to benifit from.Is it that they are worried these guys are gonna come and take there jobs.Well if thats the case then those guys are very insecure about themselves.Those guys should remember that "rizik" is given by God and no one else!!!

FisaL

28th February 2003, 12:26 AM

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Fisal,

and if you knew a bit more about your history, your feelings would be different.

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Listen lady, i know about my history more than u know, an am not waiting for you and others to tell me about my relatives and family tree, because simply if u an others who posted in this thread have relatives there, this doesnt mean that other must do ! so next time i hope that u lot weight your words before you start talking.

Yalah Kawhahiri...

FisaL

28th February 2003, 12:35 AM

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I dont think the government is a problem, there are envious ppl inside that just brush these applications aside.

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AL_NAAMANI

28th February 2003, 12:55 AM

I think we have a guy in the forum who has a serious problem with Omanis from Africa.My dear friend tolerance is important in the society that we live in.If you want to survive you better get with the flow man.

Ooops before I forget its Kwaheri and not kawahiri.Have a good day!!

FisaL

28th February 2003, 01:30 AM

AL_NAAMANI

28th February 2003, 05:24 AM

Nice icons...lets have more comments than icons.That is why this is called a forum, mate!!!

FisaL

28th February 2003, 06:34 AM

Invincible

28th February 2003, 08:38 AM

Fisal,

Nobody pointed fingers at you or made you so important to relate you to this topic. It seems like you took it in a bad way for some dark unknown reason, and personally I dont want to know why. You have reflected disgust and offense with your posts. I hope you dont feel that way towards Omanis who were born or lived in Africa. Life was hard for many Omanis, and they had to move out of Oman to make a fair living, some moved to Africa, some to India, and some to many other countries around the globe. It's a shame when we look down at other races etc. We're all humanbeings.

As for insiders brushing away the applications, these things happen everywhere. Just little small time officers abusing their power. Omanis work together based on trust and confidentiality more than mere security protocols.

Al-Namaani,

It's nothing to do with insecurity. There are scums everywhere who are just envious, and some like to see others struggle with their lives. Why? no idea, the only thing I could conclude is envy.

Jinan

28th February 2003, 09:07 AM

Fisal... cud u please write posts instead of using icons?? thanx ? [/color]

FisaL

28th February 2003, 10:25 AM

I dont understand why are zinjibares are upset here ?dont we have the freedom to say our opinions here ? Strange lot.

Jinan: <img src="/threads/images/graemlins/cool2.gif" alt="" />

RUGOMBO

28th February 2003, 11:02 AM

FisaL,

Can you at least have some decency in responding to others...who are you calling Zangibares here? Is there any tribe call Zangibares that you know off?? Why don't you come out in the open and say who you are if you have some guts??

Al-Naamany has posted this question to members to have some better understanding of the Omanis who are still in Africa, and why? You should at least have some decency in responding constructively rather than being sarcastic!

Moderators, sorry I went off the line little bit, but this post should be closed to avoid people getting upset.
R.

RUGOMBO

28th February 2003, 11:08 AM

By the way Al-Naamany, I never knew that there were some Omanis who went to Mozambique!!
R.

AL_NAAMANI

28th February 2003, 05:22 PM

Rugombo there are alot of Omanis that ended up going to Mozambique.The town of Sofala is mentioned in old Arabic travel maps.This town on the coast of Mozambique was famous for gold and Ivory.
Infact the country itself got its name from an Arab explorer Moosa Bin Baique.So you can see how strong the arab
connection was on the east coast of africa.The influence spread from the south of Somalia till the coast of Mozambique.As Omanis we should be proud of our history and not like some people on the forum.I think everyone knows who I am talking about.

RUGOMBO

28th February 2003, 10:21 PM

Thanks for the info. Al-Naamany it is completely news to me! Indeed we Omanis should be proud of making history in the World and we still are.
R.

AL_NAAMANI

28th February 2003, 10:42 PM

Something I also forgot to mention was also the spread of Islam on the east coast of Africa.This was done by the Omanis.They instilled a sense of mannerism and respect as taught in the Quran.Therefore if the Omanis who went to Africa were such good ambassadors to our country and religion why are these people being denied whats theirs....their nationality!!!
Whatever the outcome if these people are not given whats truly theirs it will be a black mark on the Omani society as a whole!!

RUGOMBO

28th February 2003, 10:51 PM

Agree.
R.

Mutazaa

1st March 2003, 11:48 PM

Hi,

It is very nice that this forum allow member to discuss this subject. It also allow people to discuss differences openly, even the icons posted by Faisal.

I also did not know that Omanis had gone to Mozambique. Is it true that Omanis are in Zambia and Commorros islands?

I read about an Omani lady being here for the last 25 years. I think she should be given a passport. Expatriates can get passport for being here in less than 25 years.

We have to admit that some people have abused the system. BUT that does not mean that everyone should be punished for that. Those who abuse the system are not bringing their sons or daughters, they are bring relatives. In the end, they are still bringing in Omanis.

In the days of Sultan, People in Zanzibar used to pay taxes to feed fellow Omanis. I think it is time we reciprocate and allow Omanis home, if they are interested in coming.

Bahrain has recently brought home around 300 people who have been in Iran for many years. We can also do that by not sending the plane, but just giving them travelling documents. That is only thing they need. No jobs, no plane to bring them home, no accomodation, no allowances like what Israel is doing to fellow jews coming all over the world.

AL_NAAMANI

2nd March 2003, 12:24 AM

Mutazaa,
Very well said.About Omanis in Comoros.I have family friends who are from the Comoros and they are Al-Kindy and they do have their passpots but have decided to continue living in the Comoros.
They must also be some Omanis in Zambia cos Zambia borders with Tanzania and I know alot of Omanis who have lived on that border crossing.
You are right again about doing what the Jews are doing to their community.They sent planes to Ethiopia to pick up about 12,000 Falasha jews from Ethiopia in 1988-1991.What makes it so difficult for the government here to deny their people their god given rights.Most of them just want recognition and nothing else.

7th March 2003, 08:52 PM

Why is the govt giving (or has given) passports to Pakistanis in Gwadar (balochistan) if its being so strict with African Omanis? The Bulushis in Gwadar are in no way Arab. Gwadar was just an Omani territory in Pakistan which was handed back a few years ago. So if these Afrcans have connections to Oman and can speak the langauge, why arent they being given passports? Its not like our country is overflowing with people.

RUGOMBO

7th March 2003, 10:25 PM

I wonder!
R.

AL_NAAMANI

8th March 2003, 12:59 AM

I'd like to have an answer to that to!!But the Balushis who got it in the 1960's deserved it cos they fought very many wars for us.But the trend continues today were Balushis are getting passports while Omanis in Africa are not getting them!!I wonder why???

Hey_U

8th March 2003, 02:53 AM

Nither African omanis nor pakistani omanis are forgotten, but they have to present some documents to get the citezenship.Maybe you and I have to show sympathy to all our fellow Omanis anywhere in the world, but that's all we can do, until valid documents are shown.
In 1980's, the system and the rules were severely abused by many africans and afro-Omanis who insisted that they are relatives.Early 1990s, a large number of people were arrested and many of them were bringing non-omani africans to the country with a claim of being relatives, and most of the deals were for a sum of money.Some were working in the immigration authority.This explains why getting citzenship is more restricted these days , but with valid documents, easy to proceed.

This problem is not only faced by Omanis In africa, but by Omanis in Asia as well, not to forget that some omanis in pakistan have got the passports , but refused for any renewal (as you may have watched this in Al-Jazeera channels program about Omanis in balochistan), so everyone is paying the price of fake-omanis relatives symptom.

regards