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Ugly_Truth
14th February 2003, 07:56 AM
From a religious point of view, it is a beautiful thing to behold. Those believers who make the pilgrimage do not do so out of forcing, but out of devotion. I believe that it is an obligation, but, it is of devotion, not necessity. If that makes sense to you.

It is also beautiful to see the formality, the crowds working in uniformity.

The stories of families overcoming adversity, to assist other family members to attend the hajj is also very beautiful.

Religously, asthetically, it is a beautiful event. We should all remember, the hajj is performed to rebuke the devil.

I symbolically throw my 21 stones at the pillar.

Dragon
14th February 2003, 08:32 AM
<b>Religously, asthetically, it is a beautiful event. We should all remember, the hajj is performed to rebuke the devil.
I symbolically throw my 21 stones at the pillar.</b>

The other day as Referee posted that pic of Haj, we were so fascinating as well by pretty precise formation, we enlarged that pic, to discover that those circles were multitudes of believers who came from all over the world to worship and praised the Almighty. By then, we came to the conclusion that circulation must be a counterclockwise one, by then we saw the Kaaba as the nuclear as the believers as the electrons of an atom, or even like the stars orbiting the center of the Galaxy.

Lateron our son brought us a CD about the Hajj ritual, but till now we hadn't had the chance to watch it.
As we read the number 21 stones, could be 3 times 7, for the number 7 is a magical number in all the religion we encounter.

Ugly, is that you in pic? <img src="/threads/images/graemlins/evil.gif" alt="" /> Then we understand the reason behind selecting this nick of yours (J/K) <img src="/threads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

<a href="http://www.datadubai.com/mecca3.htm" target="_blank">http://www.datadubai.com/mecca3.htm</a>

theman
14th February 2003, 08:33 AM
The Pilgrimage To Mecca:

By Al-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz (Malcolm X)

When Al-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz was in Mecca, he wrote this letter:

Never have I witnessed such sincere hospitality and overwhelming spirit of true brotherhood as is practiced by people of all colors and races here in this ancient Holy Land, the home of Abraham, Muhammad and all the other Prophets of the Holy Scriptures. For the past week, I have been utterly speechless and spellbound by the graciousness I see displayed all around me by people of all colors.

I have been blessed to visit the Holy City of Mecca, I have made my seven circuits around the Kaâ'bah, led by a young Mutawaf named Muhammad. I drank water from the well of the Zam Zam. I ran seven times back and forth between the hills of Mt. Al-Safa and Al Marwah. I have prayed in the ancient city of Mina, and I have prayed on Mt. Arafat.

There were tens of thousands of pilgrims, from all over the world. They were of all colors, from blue-eyed blondes to black-skinned Africans. But we were all participating in the same ritual, displaying a spirit of unity and brotherhood that my experiences in America had led me to believe never could exist between the white and non-white.

America needs to understand Islam, because this is the one religion that erases from its society the race problem. Throughout my travels in the Muslim world, I have met, talked to, and even eaten with people who in America would have been considered white, but the white attitude was removed from their minds by the religion of Islam. I have never before seen sincere and true brotherhood practiced by all colors together, irrespective of their color.

You may be shocked by these words coming from me. But on this pilgrimage, what I have seen, and experienced, has forced me to rearrange much of my thought-patterns previously held, and to toss aside some of my previous conclusions. This was not too difficult for me. Despite my firm convictions, I have always been a man who tries to face facts, and to accept the reality of life as new experience and new knowledge unfolds it. I have always kept an open mind, which is necessary to the flexibility that must go hand in hand with every form of intelligent search for truth.

During the past eleven days here in the Muslim world, I have eaten from the same plate, drunk from the same glass, and slept on the same rug while praying to the same God with fellow Muslims, whose eyes were the bluest of blue, whose hair was the blondest of blond, and whose skin was the whitest of white. And in the words and in the deeds of the white Muslims, I felt the same sincerity that I felt among the black African Muslims of Nigeria, Sudan and Ghana.

We were truly all the same (brothers) because their belief in one God had removed the white from their minds, the white from their behavior, and the white from their attitude.

I could see from this, that perhaps if white Americans could accept the Oneness of God, then perhaps, too, they could accept in reality the Oneness of Man - and cease to measure, and hinder, and harm others in terms of their differences in color.

With racism plaguing America like an incurable cancer, the so-called
Christian white American heart should be more receptive to a proven solution to such a destructive problem. Perhaps it could be in time to save America from imminent disaster the same destruction brought upon Germany by racism that eventually destroyed the Germans themselves.

Each hour here in the Holy Land enables me to have greater spiritual insights into what is happening in America between black and white. The American Negro never can be blamed for his racial animosities; he is only reacting to four hundred years of the conscious racism of the American whites. But as racism leads America up the suicide path, I do believe, from the experiences that I have had with them, that the whites of the younger generation, in the colleges and universities, will see the handwriting on the walls and many of them will turn to the spiritual path of truth the only way left to America to ward off the disaster that racism inevitably must lead to.


Never have I been so highly honored. Never have I been made to feel more humble and unworthy. Who would believe the blessings that have been heaped upon an American Negro? A few nights ago, a man who would be called in America a white man, a United Nations diplomat, an ambassador, a companion of kings, gave me his hotel suite, his bed. Never would I have even thought of dreaming that I would ever be a recipient of such honors, honors that in America would be bestowed upon a king not a Negro.

'All praise is due to Allah, the Lord of all the Worlds, only the mistakes have been mine.'

Totenhosen
14th February 2003, 09:09 AM
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Perhaps it could be in time to save America from imminent disaster the same destruction brought upon Germany by racism that eventually destroyed the Germans themselves.




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Germans destroyed? Is this the same hatred that is diplayed by some Muslims against others of different creed?

Panoramic
14th February 2003, 04:14 PM
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From a religious point of view, it is a beautiful thing to behold. Those believers who make the pilgrimage do not do so out of forcing, but out of devotion. I believe that it is an obligation, but, it is of devotion, not necessity. If that makes sense to you.

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Very nice indeed . I always thought a sincere Christian would udnerstand a sincere muslim or Jew, or hindu and vice versa.

which brings me to my question:
do Christians travel to a holy land to make a pilgrimage?

(deleted acount)
14th February 2003, 09:43 PM
Yes Christians have there own pilgrimage too, one of them is to go to Jerusalem and go through the same path as they believed Jesus did when he went for his crucifixion (i.e. walk on the same road carry a cross the same in size and weight as Jesus did). Another one as I remember reading long ago about Christians going to pilgrimages by visiting the burial places of certain saints. I cant remember the exact details but when it is to do with saints it is normally the Catholics since the Protestants don't care about saints.



Also the Hindus have their own pilgrimages along the river Gangis (I cant remember the exact name of the river but something like that, sometimes you can see in the TV, Hindus performing special rituals along the river).