Masturbation - From Islamic Point Of View

[AfghanMujahid]

In response to a thread initiated by Neo under "MASTURBATION A SIN?", I posted a reply clarifying the Islamic perspective on the subject. Unfortunately, due to the forum crash on Thursday evening my post was lost. I think it is important that our friends here in the Forum, especially our Muslim brothers and sisters, have no misconception about the Islamic point of view on masturbation. Therefore, I would like to take this opportunity to initiate a fresh discussion on the subject with guidenece from the Holy Qu'an and Hadith.

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It may not matter to our non-Muslim friends here, but I would like my Muslim brothers and sisters to think again about such a relaxed attitude towards masturbation that’s been manifested in this post.

According to a majority of Muslim scholars, masturbation (for both men and women) is haraam (forbidden) in Islam based on the following evidence:


<b>First from the Qur’aan:</b>

Imam Shafi’i stated that masturbation is forbidden based on the following verses from the Qur’aan (interpretation of the meaning):

<font color="blue">"And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts, from illegal sexual acts). Except from their wives or (the captives and slaves) that their right hands possess, - for them, they are free from blame. But whoever seeks beyond that, then those are the transgressors." Surat Al-Mu'minoon 23.5-7 <!--color-->[/color]

Here the verses are clear in forbidding all sexual acts (including masturbation) except with wives or that their right hand possess (meaning their rightful slaves). And whoever seeks beyond that is the transgressor.

It should be noted that slaves were taken in the past as prisoners of war and as part of spoils of war and it was alright to have slaves as part of society. However, the slavery has been abolished in today’s world by international treaty, which facilitate swap of prisoners of war.

<font color="blue">"And let those who find not the financial means for marriage keep themselves chaste, until Allah enriches them of His bounty." Surat Al-Nur 24.33. <!--color-->[/color]

This verse also clearly orders whoever does not have the financial means to marry to keep himself chaste and be patient in facing temptations (including masturbation) until Allah enriches them of His bounty.


<b>Secondly, from the sunnah of the Prophet (peace be upon him):</b>

Abdullaah ibn Mas’ood said, "We were with the Prophet while we were young and had no wealth whatsoever. So Allaah’s Messenger said, "O young people! Whoever among you can marry, should marry, because it helps him lower his gaze and guard his modesty (i.e. his private parts from committing illegal sexual intercourse etc.), and whoever is not able to marry, should fast, as fasting diminishes his sexual power." Bukhari: 5066. The hadeeth orders men who are not able to marry to fast despite the hardship encountered in doing so, and not to seek alternatives to lawful sex despite the ease with which these can be achieved.

There may not be any negative medical consequences of masturbation, but the act definitely weakens ones determination and resistance to temptation. The more you do it, the more you become a slave to the pleasure of climax. A weak resolve may lead the young and impressionable to experiment with different illegitimate ways (such as prostitution, homosexuality and even rape and pedophilia) to achieve sexual pleasure.

Having become used to masturbation, you may also become used to seeking your own pleasure without the involvement of a lawful partner. Therefore, when you are blessed with a lawful partner, you are then likely to focus on your own pleasure rather than also being sensitive to the pleasure of your partner. This would lead to an unsatisfactory and unhappy relationship.

The argument that it is medically beneficial for men to release their tension once in a while may be correct. However, to ease that tension it is not necessary to masturbate; wet dreams are a natural way to have that necessary relief.

Wallahu a’lam. And Allah knows what is best and most correct.

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[Incubus1980]

Sin Sin Sin . i can't make it anymore clear.

[Love_Wonderer]

Masturbation is not a sin, men are supposed to do it at least a few times in there life. Or have serious problems with something either in there balls or penis.&lt;~~~I can't believe I just typed that...[lowers head in shame]

[nowiem]

few months ago there was this program on TV discussed about this. doctors said that the person who does this there are chances that he wont be able to get babies.

[Incubus1980]

back in the old days when the settlers came to America. they saw that the natives ran around naked both male and female. and you all know those ppl never knew anything abt diseases we had in those times because they lived a very natural life. so anyways..the settlers saw that these guys are butt naked infront women and they don't have a hard on or anything.
anyways one day one of the native saw this white guy masturbating. and than he got the idea and he liked "DUH".
thus the masturbation was another sin brought by the britishers to the new world. curse those british.

so basically what the doctors say now is not all true....i know ppl and believe me when i say they don't masturbate...i mean THEY DON'T. they are still living. and abt that not gettin babies if you masturbate...well there is a certain age. i am forgetting the number. but during those years a young male very quickley makes sperms...but with the age...the rate slows down. and if you keep wasting them and don't have healthy diet....quiet frankly you'll need VIAGRA soon.
everything has to be in moderation. and if you getting lucky often than you really don't need to rub your skin off and shoot blank.

[Dabdoob_Al_Helwa]

what is so sinful about exploring ur own body that God has provided u with?????

[AfghanMujahid]

exploring ones body is not the same as playing with oneself. Playing with ones own body leads to promiscuous bahaviour and therefore prohibited.

[Dabdoob_Al_Helwa]

no i disagree
exploring ones body leads to discovering what u like and what u dont like, therefore one will be playing with themselves.
And it does not lead to promiscuous behaviour...its just a normal fact of life - people masterbate and it doesnt make them bad muslims!

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what is so sinful about exploring ur own body that God has provided u with?????

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Oh, of course its not. Why dont you try exploring parts of your body that don't really give you pleasure (if you know what I mean) just for the sake of 'exploring'.

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people masterbate and it doesnt make them bad muslims!

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You should know shouldn't you, Ms Imama.

[Dabdoob_Al_Helwa]

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[Incubus1980]

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[AfghanMujahid]

Morbid,

People would know you from what you post here in the Forum. Regardless of how chitchi put it, he made a very important point.

If you want to explore your body to find out what pleases you sexually, then there isn't a better way than to do that with your lawful partner. You suppose to explore each other to find out what pleases your partner. You would agree that focussing on your own pleasure points is selfish. Allowing your partner to explore and find your pleasure for you is far better and natural than playing with yourself.

I'm not sure if you are Muslim. If you are, then you should not adopt moral relativism. Islamic morality is absolute, it does not change with time and place. The experts today may give you a number of reasons to tell you why something, which is prohibited in Islam, have certain benefits. But you would agree that only God has the absolute knowlege and He knows best as to what is good and bad for us. Things that are prohibited may have some benefits, but the harm far out weighs the benefit in such things.

[Dark Angel]

I don't see how mastrubation would make anyone promiscuous.

And as far as health issues go, it is not harmful in anyway.

[Love_Wonderer]

If you are saying masturbation is a sin and then you could just say sex is a sin. Masturbation is exploring your body, sex is the same way. My god you people I swear..I agree with you Dark Angel...and by the way...congratulations on becoming a moderator...

[Dabdoob_Al_Helwa]

Afghan I did not say in any of my posts that I was "exploring my own body", i said that one who does masturbate, is explorin their own body. So please dont start generalizing like the rest of the people on omanforum!!!
Thank you!

[AfghanMujahid]

Morbid, when I said "exploring your body", I was not referring specifically to your (Morbid) body. I meant "ones own body" in general. So no need to get defensive.

Wonderer, you are right that masturbation and sex are similar. Under Islamic law sex with a person other than your spouse is sinful. So following your logic, masturbation would be having sex with yourself. Since "yourself" is not your spouse, then it is a sin.

Dark, whether masturbation is medically harmful or not is irrelevant. The point is if you can't resist playing with your own self, how could you possibly resist temptation from a willing and sexually attractive person of the opposite sex.

Considering masturbation as normal and natural is a result of relaxed attitude towards sex in general in the Western societies. It is alright for people to engage in premarital sexual relationship. In the absence of a steady partner people have casual sex with anybody they get along with for short periods. Or if no partner is available, then wanking youself is fine. This, of course, was not always the case. Even West was quite conservative about 60 years ago. Sex outside miarrage was considered immoral and unlawful. But the moral standards of the West change with time and circumstances. In comparison, this is not the case with Muslims. Islamic morality does not change with time or suited to circumstances. Something sinful 1400 years ago is still sinful today. It is ture that a lot of Muslims practice casual attitude towards sex today due to blindly following the West. But even they accept that what they do is indeed sinful.

[Dark Angel]

<i>The point is if you can't resist playing with your own self, how could you possibly resist temptation from a willing and sexually attractive person of the opposite sex</i>

What sort of logic is that? You are different from some other person walking on the street. That's like saying if you wear an eyebrow ring, what's to stop you from going and putting an eyebrown ring on someone on the sreet! There is no correlation between mastrubation and sexual assault or rape. Indeed, for the number of men who mastrubate, you should be seeing an abnormal number of rape cases. Since that is not the case, one can only conclude that there is no relation between mastrubation and deviant sexual behaviour.

[Omegatron]

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Considering masturbation as normal and natural is a result of relaxed attitude towards sex in general in the Western societies. It is alright for people to engage in premarital sexual relationship. In the absence of a steady partner people have casual sex with anybody they get along with for short periods. Or if no partner is available, then wanking youself is fine. This, of course, was not always the case. Even West was quite conservative about 60 years ago. Sex outside miarrage was considered immoral and unlawful. But the moral standards of the West change with time and circumstances. In comparison, this is not the case with Muslims. Islamic morality does not change with time or suited to circumstances. Something sinful 1400 years ago is still sinful today. It is ture that a lot of Muslims practice casual attitude towards sex today due to blindly following the West. But even they accept that what they do is indeed sinful.


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Thats actually an incorrect statement. The West (ie America) is actually a very sexually repressed nation compared to the East. Sex is a very open subject on your side of the world Europe,Asia etc where they are very open. Maybe in the Muslim area it is a sin but you label your opinion based on a misconception. It is your side of the world who is much more open and communicative about sexual activities. Where was the Kuma Satra written? I believe that was Indian in origin. What countries are we talking about? Look at history. The EAST is far more open than we in the West. Now I respect your opinion on masturbation because I respect your beleifs as you should others. Medically speaking there is nothing wrong with it. From a western belief I see nothing wrong with someone doing it. However just like many things in life if someone obsesses with it then it can become a problem.

[AfghanMujahid]

Ugly, you are going off tangent, as usual. Read my post again and do not try to twist my words. I did not say that everybody who masturbates becomes a rapist or develops deviant sexual behaviour. What I'm saying is that masturbation weakens ones resolve in resisting "temptation from a willing and sexually attractive person of the opposite sex".

Omegatron, you are right about India and Kama Sutra. I should have referred to the sexual freedom in West and some other cultures. But having said that, Indian culture is generally very conservative in respect of sex. Similarly, you will find Middle East and most Muslim countries are very conservative in the way they deal with sexuality. Islam does not prohibit sex and sex education per say, it only prohibits illicit sex.

[Dark Angel]

UT hasn't posted on this thread. I think you mean me :)

<i>What I'm saying is that masturbation weakens ones resolve in resisting "temptation from a willing and sexually attractive person of the opposite sex".</i>

I didn't twist your words. I just extrapolated. Ultimately over time, logic would dictate (according to your theory) that because of repeated mastrubation, your resolve has been weakened to the point where it is non-existent.

Could you please explain to me exactly HOW Mastrubation weakens one's resolve? If anything, mastrubation relieves sexual tension and desire. So I don't see how it would weaken resolve...

[AfghanMujahid]

Yes DA, I was actually addressing you and not UT; sorry for the mix up.



Well before I explain as to how mastrubation weakens one's resolve, let me ask you why one masturbates. And please don't tell me to explore ones own body, 'cause that's bullony. The exploration of that particular part of your body is completed the first time you ejaculated or had orgasm.

[Love_Wonderer]

When a human explores anything and they find out that they like it, they keep doing it and doing it because it brings pleasure onto them...it soothes you...makes you comfortable...

[AfghanMujahid]

So it's no more exploration then; it is revisiting.

[Love_Wonderer]

You just don't understand human behavior that's all...it's okay...

[AfghanMujahid]

I think I do. That's why I believe in Islamic verdict on the issue.

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Masturbation is not a sin

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LW, look at the subject - "... from an Islamic point of view"



Tell me honestly, how do you know so much about Islam?

[Love_Wonderer]

You only know what you know that you learned as a Islamic...but explain everything you know about this subject so I know you're not lying and trying not to sound stupid...and if you could...have a link to a site that backs up what you said?

[AfghanMujahid]

LW, read the first post of this thread and you will find the relevant references.

[Love_Wonderer]

That told me nothing about the way a human behaves when he/she explores his/her own body...sorry if I didn't mention it the first time but that's what I was wanting to get at...

[Smile]

<i>The Lawful and the Prohibited in Islam</i>, Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi states the following: "The majority of Muslim scholars consider masturbation Haram. Imam Malik bases his judgement on the verse: <b>Those who guard their sexual organs except with their spouses or those whom their right hands possess, for (with regard to them) they are without blame. But those who crave something beyond that are transgressors(Al-Mu'minoon:5-7) </b> Imam Malik argued that the masturbator is one of those who crave something beyond that.



On the other hand, it is reported that Imam Ahmad Ibn Hanbal regarded semen as an excretion of the body like other excrete, and permitted its expulsion the same way blood letting is permitted. Ibn Hazm holds the same view. However, the Hanbali jurists permit masturbation only under two conditions: first, the fear of committing fornication or adultery, and second, not having the means to marry.



We are inclined to accept the opinion of Imam Ahmad in a situation in which there is sexual excitation and danger of committing the Haram. For example, a young man has gone abroad to study or work, thereby encountering many temptations which he fears he will be unable to resist, may resort to this method of relieving sexual tension provided he does not do it excessively or make it a habit. Yet, better than this is the Prophet's advice to the Muslim youth who is unable to marry, namely, that he seek help through frequent fasting, for fasting nurtures will-power, teaches control of desires, and strengthens the fear of Allah. The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, is reported to have said, <b>O youth, whoever of you is able to marry, let him marry, for it spares one looking at what one should not, or lapsing in adultery. And if he cannot marry, let him observe fasting, for it is a shield against evil."'</b> (Reported by Muslim.)



Thus, we advise you to have your wife with you and not to stay alone. If not, i.e. if there is no way to have her with you and there is a dire necessity to be away from her, then you should make use of the following:



1-Observing fasting, because it bolsters one's faith, preserves chastity, and protects one from evil thoughts.



2- Observing moderation in eating and drinking in order to avoid stimulating your desire.



3- Keeping away from anything that is sexually stimulating, such as pornographic pictures, erotic films and love songs.



4- Choosing good and righteous friends.



5- Keeping yourself busy in worship and spiritual acts.



6- Interacting with activities of the society in such away that it keeps you away from thinking about sex.



7-Avoiding gatherings and places that bring men and women physically close to each other.



8- Avoiding sleeping on beds that are so soft that they make one think about sex.



9- Trying to admire natural things such as flowers and beautiful scenery, which do not stimulate one sexually, instead of admiring girls and women. If you find the previous things useful, then it is forbidden for you to masturbate. However, if you find that you cannot relieve yourself except through masturbation, and you fear you may lapse in adultery if you do not masturbate, then the juristic rule which states that the lesser evil is to be suffered in order to fend off the major one applies to you, as masturbation is deemed to be the lesser of two evils in this case. But, we would like to stress that this may be done only in the case of dire necessity, when all solutions prove to be of no avail.



May Allah guide you to the straight path and direct you to that which pleases Him, Amen



<i>Quoted from <a href="http://www.islam-online.net" target="_blank">www.islam-online.net</a></i>

[Dark Angel]

AM,

I do not see a moral issue with mastrubation. Why does one mastrubate? For pleasure of course, and to relieve sexual tension. Are you hurting anyone? Absolutely not. So where is the moral dilemma? Do you find eating food pleasurable? How about drinking a glass of cold water on a really hot day? All of these actions activate pleasure centers in the brain. You don't hurt anyone by mastrubating. Also, mastrubating is not the same as "having sex with yourself". Sex is broadly defined as intercourse. You said that a man can only have sex with his wife and no one else. You further said that since he himself cannot be considered his wife, he would be sinning by mastrubating. Well since it is impossible for him to have intercourse with himself, he wouldn't be able to have sex with himself now would he? Mastrubation is defined as the act of bringing oneself to a climax. No one else is involved. The definition of sex itself involves two persons, therefore your logic fails on this point.

The issue with mastrubation is just that it is widely thought of in many cultures as "dirty". People are just uncomfortable talking about it.

[Dabdoob_Al_Helwa]

if its such a bad sin, why do the majority of males do it??

[AfghanMujahid]

Smile, thanks for posting more useful and relevant information.

Morbid, a wrong does not become right if a majority is wrong.

DA, you are right about the flawed logic, but it wasn't mine. I was only following LW's logic; please read my post above.

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Wonderer, you are right that masturbation and sex are similar. Under Islamic law sex with a person other than your spouse is sinful. <font color="red">So following your logic<!--color-->[/color], masturbation would be having sex with yourself. Since "yourself" is not your spouse, then it is a sin.

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[Love_Wonderer]

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Smile, thanks for posting more useful and relevant information.

Morbid, a wrong does not become right if a majority is wrong.

DA, you are right about the flawed logic, but it wasn't mine. I was only following LW's logic; please read my post above.

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Wonderer, you are right that masturbation and sex are similar. Under Islamic law sex with a person other than your spouse is sinful. <font color="red">So following your logic<!--color-->[/color], masturbation would be having sex with yourself. Since "yourself" is not your spouse, then it is a sin.

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Sex is pleasure and so is masturbation...we discovered sex, we discovered masturbation...they are both human nature to do...and you are right it is having sex with yourself but it's not a sin...far from it...God meant for us to do so...even if we never ate those apples...we would have still started masturbating and having sex...it was meant to be

[Dabdoob_Al_Helwa]

Love wanderer u r absolutely correct <img src="/threads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

[Love_Wonderer]

Thanks Morbid for seeing it my way...or the way of life... <img src="/threads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

[MaD_K]

LW... If you are Muslim you will understand that god has forbidden some actions to test us and see if we are going to follow him or no... It doesn't have to be harmful... And read the title again -From Islamic Point Of View-... and Morbid, from what you wrote I understood that since it is your body, you can do anything to it <font color="red">Correct me if I'm worng <!--color-->[/color]. If that was the case then from your point of view, a person can kill him self for the sake of exploring death. So from your point of view, it is right to do that. And since you are Christian, you can go to this website <a href="http://www.bible.com/answers/amasturb.html" target="_blank">http://www.bible.com/answers/amasturb.html</a> ...It clearly says that masturbation is a sin in your religion point of view..

[Sapphire]

Mad K


"What does the Bible say about masturbation?"

This is one of our most frequently asked questions. Many Christians have found it difficult to answer this question according to the Bible, BECAUSE THE BIBLE NEVER MENTIONS MASTURBATION SPECIFICALLY"

I think the introduction to the site says it all. It is a religious site who's followers are trying to justify their own belief that Masturbation is a sin by using quotes from the bible which can be twisted to incorporate the word masturbation but could also refer to many other issues.

If we believe strongly enough in something we can always find a way to try and justify it to others.



"It clearly says that masturbation is a sin in your religion point of view.."

From someones religious point of view yes! the Bibles?

[MaD_K]

Sapphire

... Masturbation is not mentioned in the Qu ran as well... There is something in Islam call qiyas... It is basically comparing the case with something similar to it that is stated in the religion and according to it they give the judgement on the case .. This applies in Christianity as well... Read the whole topic and you will understand why it considered a sin.

[Sapphire]

Mad K

I have read the whole topic and my post was in answer to yours (to Morbid)with regard to the site you claim states clearly that masturbation is a sin in the Christian religion.

I can understand what you are saying from an Islamic point of view but from where I am sitting if Moses had an extra comandment on his list:-

"Thou shalt not masturbate" then to me that is clearly written in the bible and someone can turn to me and say Masturbation is a sin in the eyes of God.

I can go to many different church organisations and religious groups where I live back in the UK and each one will have their own views and interpretation of what the bible is saying or the message that it is putting out.

They are purely individual interpretations - it does not mean they are right or wrong. Take the bible itself - there are many accounts of certain incidents - some very similar, some varying in detail - who's is the true recollection?

[vagabond]

Check out authentic opinions on
<a href="http://www.themodernreligion.com" target="_blank">www.themodernreligion.com</a>
<a href="http://www.ourdialogue.com" target="_blank">www.ourdialogue.com</a>
<a href="http://www.islamicity.org" target="_blank">www.islamicity.org</a>

[Nam]

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The more you do it, the more you become a slave to the pleasure of climax. A weak resolve may lead the young and impressionable to experiment with different illegitimate ways (such as prostitution, homosexuality and even rape and pedophilia) to achieve sexual pleasure.


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I find this to be baseless. Not the first line but the second to the end. I feel that is baseless and also a bit pathetic. But, everyone always looks for something to blame and why not those things.

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[Nam]

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<b><i>nowiem said:</i></b>
few months ago there was this program on TV discussed about this. doctors said that the person who does this there are chances that he wont be able to get babies.

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And those doctors were full of crap because if it were actually true then there are billions of men who wouldn't be able to have babies....but, if it is some as 'they' say, then ok, millions wouldn't be able to.


I once heard a Doctor say (who was also a Christian Preacher) that if a child is raised by a Homosexual then that child will grow up to be a Homosexual.

Again, full of 'crap'.


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[Nam]

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<b><i>AfghanMujahid said:</i></b>
exploring ones body is not the same as playing with oneself. Playing with ones own body leads to promiscuous bahaviour and therefore prohibited.

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'promiscuous' means not restricted to one object, thing etc. Now, how is that negative? Oh, by you saying it is, or by a couple of 'holy' books out there saying that 'God' said that.

Anyways.....





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[Nam]

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<b><i>Love_Wonderer said:</i></b>
If you are saying masturbation is a sin and then you could just say sex is a sin. Masturbation is exploring your body, sex is the same way. My god you people I swear..I agree with you Dark Angel...and by the way...congratulations on becoming a moderator...

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Hey, according to the Holy Bible, sex is the Ultimate Sin. All those Christians committing the Ultimate Sin, yep, they must be going to hell.

I just love in a certain religion when 'man' speaks for their 'deity' and then a long the way 'contradicts' themselves.

I find it humoreous. No really I do, fine don't believe me <img src="/threads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />



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[Nam]

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Considering masturbation as normal and natural is a result of relaxed attitude towards sex in general in the Western societies. It is alright for people to engage in premarital sexual relationship. In the absence of a steady partner people have casual sex with anybody they get along with for short periods. Or if no partner is available, then wanking youself is fine. This, of course, was not always the case. Even West was quite conservative about 60 years ago. Sex outside miarrage was considered immoral and unlawful. But the moral standards of the West change with time and circumstances. In comparison, this is not the case with Muslims. Islamic morality does not change with time or suited to circumstances. Something sinful 1400 years ago is still sinful today. It is ture that a lot of Muslims practice casual attitude towards sex today due to blindly following the West. But even they accept that what they do is indeed sinful.


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Hey, pre-marital sex existed way before 'Western Society' existed. But, if you solely want to put blame on the 'West' I guess I can't stop you.

I just find it when anything is in disagreement on this site that it must be the fault of the 'West'. I wish people would actually put the blame where it is justly deserved. And if in a factual clarity it falls on the 'West' then so be it, but, pre-marital happenstance has been around since the first two humans existed.

Adam and Eve were not married to each other - oh, my apologies, 'God' married them.

My bad.

Give me a break. It is just excuses being played on something that someone else found disgusting that in all actuality isn't.




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[Nam]

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<b><i>Mad_K said:</i></b>
LW... If you are Muslim you will understand that god has forbidden some actions to test us and see if we are going to follow him or no... It doesn't have to be harmful... And read the title again -From Islamic Point Of View-... and Morbid, from what you wrote I understood that since it is your body, you can do anything to it <font color="red">Correct me if I'm worng <!--color-->[/color]. If that was the case then from your point of view, a person can kill him self for the sake of exploring death. So from your point of view, it is right to do that. And since you are Christian, you can go to this website <a href="http://www.bible.com/answers/amasturb.html" target="_blank">http://www.bible.com/answers/amasturb.html</a> ...It clearly says that masturbation is a sin in your religion point of view..



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What sect of Christianity was that, because there are over 300 and they all do not agree on everything.

Interpretation is so fun, isn't it?


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