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    Muhammad wrote the Quran. Just like a bunch of Jews wrote the Torah, and just like a bunch of Christians got together to figure out what goes in the bible... and just like a bunch of rishis got together and wrote the Vedas.
    Let's collectively examine your claim, like the way you analyze Islam.



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    Err... I do know what it means. It means "The recitation".
    You are wrong! But before I tell you what that word means, let me establish my point for you first.



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    I don't see how this proves your point.
    Well you won't see until you understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Angel View Post
    Why do you assume that because I say that Muhammad wrote the Quran, it makes parts of the message less valid? I don't have an interest in anything that is "against" the Quran, but I don't see what's wrong in analyzing it or pointing out inconsistencies.
    Let's call this inconsistence # one. Muhammad was a human being just like you, just like me, just like any other human being. Do you agree???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Angel View Post
    Why do you assume that because I say that Muhammad wrote the Quran, it makes parts of the message less valid? I don't have an interest in anything that is "against" the Quran, but I don't see what's wrong in analyzing it or pointing out inconsistencies.
    Let's call this inconsistence # one. Muhammad was a human being just like you, just like me, just like any other human being. Do you agree???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alhamask
    You are wrong! But before I tell you what that word means, let me establish my point for you first.
    Seriously?

    The Qur’an (pronounced [qurˈʔaːn]; Arabic: القرآنal-qur’ān, literally “the recitation”)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qur%27an

    Yes, I agree Muhammad is a human being just like any other. Now I know what your next argument is going to be. It's going to be "How could a simply human being write something like this??? It has to be revealed!"

    But looking at it from a literature-based point of view, the Quran is hardly exceptional or unique. It's just a collection of verses. And if you're also going to say "Oh but no one has written any suras like those in the Quran", well then take a look here:

    http://www.suralikeit.com/

    But before that, could you address those links I posted in the other thread?
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    Dark Angel, I will look into the links but please can you allow me to complete my point first - I haven't made it yet?

    Alhamask added 3 Minutes and 50 Seconds later...

    Dark Angel,

    Pele, the retired footballer, is widely accepted as one of the greatest footballers of all time. But he is just a human being, just like you, just like me, just like any other. Do you agree??
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    Dark Angel,

    Muhammed Ali was a boxing star. He rocked the boxing world with his magic punches in the ring and is well documented in modern history. But he is just a human being, just like you, just like me, just like any other human being. Do you agree??

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    South African Mrs. Mary Faulkner is a very famous writer. The Guinness Book of World Records ranks her as one of history’s most prolific novelists. She wrote around 904 books in total! Yet she is just another human being, just like you, just like me, just like any other human being.

    Warren Buffet is one of the world’s most successful investors of our time. There is no need to say more about him! Yet again he is just another human being, just like you, just like me, just like any other human being.

    Do you agree?? Please care to respond with “agree” or “disagree.” Otherwise you will not be allowing me to make my point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alhamask View Post
    South African Mrs. Mary Faulkner is a very famous writer. The Guinness Book of World Records ranks her as one of history’s most prolific novelists. She wrote around 904 books in total! Yet she is just another human being, just like you, just like me, just like any other human being.

    Warren Buffet is one of the world’s most successful investors of our time. There is no need to say more about him! Yet again he is just another human being, just like you, just like me, just like any other human being.

    Do you agree?? Please care to respond with “agree” or “disagree.” Otherwise you will not be allowing me to make my point.
    Alhamask, are you trying to bore DA into submission? Interesting strategy

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    Quote Originally Posted by 50 Sense View Post
    Alhamask, are you trying to bore DA into submission? Interesting strategy
    No not at all! I am analyzing the inconsistencies of the Quran with him.

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    Do you not understand what "Get to the point" means? I already answered your first question. All you're doing is this:

    "Person X did something extraordinary: Y. Do you agree that X is just a normal human being?"

    Seriously, are you going to try all variations of this theme? Just ask your question. O_o.
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    Dark Angel, The point will never get established if you deny to agree or disagree from my statements above. Please care to respond to the questions in the manner I have asked.

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    Holy crap. Do you have a problem understanding English?? I already said yes!
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    You only said yes to the very first question, can you please agree or disagree to the other questions? Remember you told me to ask you anything.

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    Ok it's rather apparent to me that you're making a mockery of this argument. If you insist on being petulant, go ahead. I'll come back once you've stopped being immature and asked your question. I don't know what else I can say to let you know that I've answered all your points, or even that I've answered your basic question about "Person X is just a person but they did something spectacular Y even though they are just human beings" by saying "yes".
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    Wow. Just... wow. If this is your idea of arguing, I suggest you quit now. I'll come back if/when you actually have a legitimate question and quit waffling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alhamask View Post
    Dark Angel, please respond...
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    Do you agree?? Please care to respond with “agree” or “disagree.” Otherwise you will not be allowing me to make my point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Angel View Post
    Do you not understand what "Get to the point" means? I already answered your first question. All you're doing is this:
    "Person X did something extraordinary: Y. Do you agree that X is just a normal human being?"
    Seriously, are you going to try all variations of this theme? Just ask your question. O_o.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Angel View Post
    Ok it's rather apparent to me that you're making a mockery of this argument. If you insist on being petulant, go ahead. I'll come back once you've stopped being immature and asked your question. I don't know what else I can say to let you know that I've answered all your points, or even that I've answered your basic question about "Person X is just a person but they did something spectacular Y even though they are just human beings" by saying "yes".
    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Angel View Post
    ...Wow. Just... wow. If this is your idea of arguing, I suggest you quit now. I'll come back if/when you actually have a legitimate question and quit waffling.
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    Sure you can ask me a question .

    For the last time please Dark Angel, can you clearly "agree" or "disagree" to the above statements about Pele & Muhammed Ali & Mrs. Mary & Warren Buffet?

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